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re: #blacklivesmatter: Five Year Old Approached by Neighbor, Shot Dead in Front of Two SistersPosted on 8/13/20 at 11:44 am to InGAButLoveBama
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Yet the research shows

None shown here. Nor do I believe in your ability to discern what is reputable, reliable research. So I won’t even ask you for a link. I mean, read your post. You wrote a statement about SAT: you do know the connection between IQ tests, SAT, and eugenics right? Like, you pulled in the SAT to support my point further?! And then you made some statement (No link, though) about low income white scoring higher on average than high income Blacks...to show me that the tests don’t have cultural biases? Do you even logic, bro? Like, internal logic within your own post breaks down. So, don’t @ me with a discussion about IQ when yours is clearly lacking. At the end of the day, that you buy into a intelligence is reducible to a single number is ... unintelligent

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Here are links to learn about the fact that even upper income Blacks have a lower avg SAT than lower income Whites. SAT by the way, is highly correlated with IQ. Ya can't blame this on Whitey! https://www.jbhe.com/2015/09/the-growing-racial-gap-in-sat-scores/ and https://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

Upper income Blacks, specifically, the children of upper income Blacks, do not face nearly the hypothesized cultural bias if their parents make so much money. That is the point. Yet even they fail to score as well as lower income Whites.

TigerAlum said in a previous reply to me that IQ tests are known to be culturally biased. Yet the research shows that the IQ tests most devoid of any cultural bias are even worse for Blacks. The data behind the IQ gap is voluminous. It is backed up by other data such as the very embarrassing fact that even upper income Blacks have a lower avg SAT than lower income Whites. So much for White privilege. I don't present this data to put down Blacks, but to stop this nonsense about Whites being to blame for inequities in society.

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What am I pushing against? The white supremacist narrative that white people should be afraid of Black people. That’s the stance in this thread. That’s why some of y’all keep throwing out contorted statistics—from white supremacist groups. That’s why y’all buy into a narrative that a group pushing for justice for Black people is fundamentally anti-white (not true).

But, hey, dismiss me. Demean me. Ignore me. Just don’t misunderstand my goals or what I stand for.

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But Blacks should be afraid of Whites right? The data clearly shows that Whites have more reason to fear Blacks than the other way around, but you try to make this about fearmongering against Blacks. You are either in cognitive dissonance, or you are anti your own race.

And please tell us which stats are "contorted"? The data is what it is, and it speaks for itself. 13/54, 13/85 to 90 speaks volumes.

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re: #blacklivesmatter: Five Year Old Approached by Neighbor, Shot Dead in Front of Two SistersPosted on 8/13/20 at 12:11 am to InGAButLoveBama
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The FBI lumps Latinos in with Whites, so the percentage of Whites who commit interracial crime is even smaller than 10%.

Yeah, so comparing this graph to Table 14 in the 2018 BJS and the SPLC article I posted yesterday, it’s clear there’s some funny math being done to create the new graph. Creating a category of “interracial crime” and then creating new percentages is something I’m going to need to think more about. The original BJS made very clear: of all the crime against white people, 15% of it is perpetrated by a Black offender. The math you needed to do to flip that around and get a 90% number—and I know how they got the number—feels disingenuous. But I gotta think some more.

I do appreciate the link to the red elephant site, which linked me to the BJS site.

Some of the other hate crime statistics presented...I gotta do some digging there too. If there was manipulation to get a 90% number, I need to make sure there aren’t more games going on.

I guess I’ll not dwell on the fact that white people might get away with crime at higher rates, particularly if it’s against a person of color. Or that what we count as crime typically only focuses on things poor people do, not rich people in ways that have disproportionate racial victims (e.g., environmental looting and toxicity, wage theft).

At the end of the day, that these statistics can get weaponized as propaganda is what still bothers me. But I’ve already said that enough. For now.

Thanks again for responding. And I mean that genuinely. So much more productive/helpful than any bull shite MadKing was posting.

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I hear this from your side all the time. The fact that the majority of White deaths are by other Whites is important, ok, fine. But why don't Blacks extend the same logic to deaths in their community? The percentage of Blacks killed by Whites is so small, it is almost statistically non existent. Yet it is all the media focuses on. See the inconsistency on your side? If you would stop with the anti White narrative, folks like me would stop pointing out the stats which are pretty embarrassing for the Black community.

Also, in parts of the nation with high Black populations, the percentage of Whites killed by Blacks goes way up. That has major cultural consequences that can't be ignored. Whites in certain areas have real reasons to fear some Blacks.

Here is a source (The Color of Crime) spanning many years that backs up the 13/90 data point regarding interracial attacks. And it is NOT from so called White supremacists.

Ok, sometimes it is only 13/85, but let's not get too nerdy here. The data is clear. Blacks are way more likely to attack other races. LINK /

Major Findings

The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible. Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.
There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.
In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.
If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.
In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.
In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.
In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.
Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity.

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Finally, I'm still wondering here: What's the end goal of arguing that Black people hurt white people more? (And, to be clear, I don't agree with that premise and would have to explain further why not.) But why offer up that claim? Where does it get us? White people should feel angry? White people should ignore voices of protest? White people should think that racism is over? White people should join a race war? (I mean, someone on this thread said: "I will continue to beat the drum....as men as as a society, if we do not start standing up, protecting our children, and destroying evil....we are doomed." So, what does he mean? Who is under attack? All men and their children? White men and their children? I'm not asking these questions to be ignoring or to obscure anything. Instead, I want us to consider whose interests are served when we promote narratives about "Blacks attacking whites." That specter, the threat of the Black criminal created by white people has a bloody and terrible history. Accusations and fears of rape in particular has been part of that history.
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Are you serious? What planet have you been living on the last few months? We are in the middle of the most vicious anti White narrative the world has ever seen. We are literally being accused of hunting Blacks down. The ONLY reason for bringing up the data, is to defend the White race from the likes of BLM who wish Whites real harm.

It is perfectly good for Whites to push back against anti White lies with the data. The data proves the BLM narrative is utter BS! And there is nothing wrong with becoming a defensive "racist." Whites better start defending their race before more White children are gunned down thanks to our media gaslighting Blacks to think they are the eternal victims. I don't want to hear one more word about Dylan Roof till more Blacks acknowledge the serious anti White violence problem plaguing their community.

And as for rape, virtually no Black women are raped by White men, but many White women are raped by Black men each year. I will have to retrieve the data later when I have time, but you can search for it yourself.

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re: #blacklivesmatter: Five Year Old Approached by Neighbor, Shot Dead in Front of Two SistersPosted on 8/12/20 at 11:27 pm to Champagne
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Here's a scholarly article from the "Journal of Blacks in Higher Education", an Academia periodical

Nice. Did you read it? Or did you want me to read it and summarize?

It basically restates my point: quite a bit of research, historically and, really, presently has presumed inferiority amongst Black people can, at least in part, be explained biologically. The author outlined that history+present and then asked if we should not see white people’s (1) perpetuation of this kind of racist reasoning and (2) more broad examples of racist violence as some kind of deficiency that needs to be studied as well? Basically, “wait, White people are clearly flawed because they maintain racism but we’re ignoring that.” That’s half of the critique. The other half is summarized in the title...but it’s implicit. The question in the title is demonstrating the absurdity of what white researchers do in their pursuit of proving Black inferiority, particularly at a biological level. I’d summarize it as: hey, if they’re gonna keep this bull shite research up, what’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.

At the end of the day, you had to go out of your way to find one obscure academic commentary from 1997 to ... what? Demonstrate that there’s a whole cottage industry within academia focused on tying white supremacist tendencies to biology? Lol. You won’t find that. That’s not a mainstream idea or even one that gets traction in academia. Instead, you’ll find the very thing I described: vestiges of scientific anti-Black racism. I couldn’t even find the piece in Google Scholar to see how many times it was cited, if any.

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Let's get something clear. The fact that Black Americans have on avg,, a one standard deviation lower IQ (15 points) than White Americans, does NOT mean they are biologically inferior. Intelligence is just one of many traits. Blacks clearly show greater athletic ability in many sports, and that does not make them biologically superior across the board.

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e: NPR Radio New Doing Work!Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:16 pm to Taxing Authority
Charlottesville is newsworthy because an innocent woman was murdered by white nationalists, and Trump called nazis, white supremacists and white nationalists "very fine people".

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I am not going to argue over whether James Fields intended to kill someone, however, what is this constant refrain about "white nationalists" killing Heyer? You can argue that A White nationalist killed her, but you can't claim that more than one White nationalist killed her that day. Plus, the Alt Right protestors had the legal right to protest that day, and were denied that right by the local cops, who literally pushed them out of the park into the throngs of viciously violent ANTIFA. They had every right to defend themselves. Had they not, many of them would have been killed.

When an ANTIFA or BLM fool kills someone, do you hear media talking about either group killing someone? No, they try to hide it first of all, but if they can't, they say you can't blame a whole group for the actions of one person. Oh really now? Can't apply that same logic to the Alt Right?

There was a small group of people who tested poz for HIV antibodies, but never got sick, and they are the ones who did not follow the government's medication recommendations. They also cleaned up their act.

She is not going to endorse Trump. She has promised to support Biden.

But she will not be an enthusiastic supporter.

What is sad is that so few of you admire her for trying to end our policy of arming terrorists in the ME with her Stop Arming Terrorists Act. No one ever denied that her bill addressed a real problem and huge contradiction in US policy, they just ignored it. Not even Bernie would co-sponsor her bill, though Rand Paul did.

She is the only leader in the Congress with the courage to talk about how the US armed and backed AQ in Syria against Assad, and for that, she was labeled an Assad apologist. She never made excuses for Assad, but I will. If any US president had to face what Assad did (well armed Islamic extremists affiliated with AQ and ISIS), he would make Assad look like Mary Poppins.