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re: The BIG 10 is destroying itself, geographically.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:27 am to New Hampshire Tiger
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:27 am to New Hampshire Tiger
My favorite conference was the original Big 12. It was the strongest conference. It is too bad that some schools were so butt hurt that they took their balls and ran elsewhere. Texas gets the blame, but truthfully, Texas won a lot and wins a lot. Inflation is going to take a huge toll on all of us. It will destroy the budgets of the marginal schools in every league. I don't expect any cohesion among these conferences with the new schools joining. I expect a lot of contention from the beginning.
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:17 am to 2300 Nueces
Awgusta hit the nail on the head. Most of you are focusing on the “winning the Natty” as the end game. That is not the end game at all. The end game is money and control of the sport from a media perspective. Kramer and Slive were business geniuses in doing that for the SEC. Sankey is not and is the guy just riding the SEC wave built by the Kramer/Slive. Meanwhile the BIG is becoming a national conference and will enter the south soon. You can use todays standards to laugh at the BIG. I get it. But, I watched how the Kramer/Slive built the SEC dominance on the field by winning the money game which influenced the high level players and the media narrative. This is what the BIG is doing right now that will pay off in a decade and beyond.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:35 am to BuckI
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All that matters to me is Ohio State has won it. I couldn't care less about the rest.
Ohio State has most likely won 2 NC during your lifetime
Here is a list of SEC teams that have won more since 1970
Alabama- 10
Florida-3
LSSU-3
Georgia-3
In fact counting all the NC the Big Ten has won in football since 1970 the total is 3
The Big 10 will make a lot of money, but still will not win NCs
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:37 am to 2300 Nueces
I'd agree in the 90s the 12 was rolling. Atm kstate had some good years. The buffs were strong. Nebraska was at the top of football texas and ou were good. By the time Nebraska played for its last natty when they got housed by Colorado and Miami the tide had already shifted toward the sec and the big 12 just got worse. By the start of cfp. Big 12 was behind all the other AQ conferences
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:53 am to RunningJacket
The Big 10 will make a lot money but still will not win the NC
While the Big 10 will clap themselves on the back and congratulate each other, the truth is the people that will watch your games are going to stop.
If you do not have a good product people will stop buying and then what?
Athletes want to win and win big, the Big Ten will not provide them that. The athletes want their family and friends to come to the games, the Big Ten will not provide them that. So the athletes will not come and the Big Ten will not win titles
Having a conference that is coast to coast will hurt he Big Ten financially as not as many people will watch the games even on TV. Many of the markets you have teams in are pro areas. If the Big Ten comes south they will be laughed at
The SEC knows all this and realizes that they will make, in the long run, just about as much money and win titles.
Ultimately the Big Ten has lost but they (and you) just do not realize it yet.
While the Big 10 will clap themselves on the back and congratulate each other, the truth is the people that will watch your games are going to stop.
If you do not have a good product people will stop buying and then what?
Athletes want to win and win big, the Big Ten will not provide them that. The athletes want their family and friends to come to the games, the Big Ten will not provide them that. So the athletes will not come and the Big Ten will not win titles
Having a conference that is coast to coast will hurt he Big Ten financially as not as many people will watch the games even on TV. Many of the markets you have teams in are pro areas. If the Big Ten comes south they will be laughed at
The SEC knows all this and realizes that they will make, in the long run, just about as much money and win titles.
Ultimately the Big Ten has lost but they (and you) just do not realize it yet.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:55 am to New Hampshire Tiger
I just wish these conferences would change their name for accuracy's sake. It won't happen because BIG 10 and SEC are huge recognizable brands but man it bugs my OCD.
The BIG 10 has damn near 20 teams and now includes Northeast, Midwest and West coast teams.
The west coast doesn't have it's own conference anymore really. Not a power league.
So technically there will be a Power 4 but really it's a Power 2. The BIG 12 and ACC do not deserve top seeds by winning those conferences. It's a joke. The BIG 12 doesn't have one elite football program.
Now basketball will be completely opposite. The BIG 12 and ACC will be monsters in college hoops.
The BIG 10 has damn near 20 teams and now includes Northeast, Midwest and West coast teams.
The west coast doesn't have it's own conference anymore really. Not a power league.
So technically there will be a Power 4 but really it's a Power 2. The BIG 12 and ACC do not deserve top seeds by winning those conferences. It's a joke. The BIG 12 doesn't have one elite football program.
Now basketball will be completely opposite. The BIG 12 and ACC will be monsters in college hoops.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:57 am to New Hampshire Tiger
Geography means absolutely nothing anymore in college sports.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:05 am to Tigerfan0318
Going national also has its risks. If the new teams like USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, [FSU], [UNC] struggle in the B1G in football, the greater travel costs will push to the front for attention. We'll see stories about the poor soccer/volleyball/tennis players being sacrificed on the altar of big mean money football. There will be lots of gnashing of teeth about female equity and how they'll deserve greater compensation.
I don't buy that going national is the best strategy ultimately.
I don't buy that going national is the best strategy ultimately.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:21 am to AwgustaDawg
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Possibly, but the Saturday pro league that’s coming
I don't really see this happening. They are student athletes, the whole point for a majority of kids playing at a university is to get a degree while enjoying the game they love. Only a select few are going to get an opportunity at the NFL and they know that. Maybe i am wrong, I just don't see a university having a "pro" team.
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I seriously doubt the SEC is happy and doing nothing behind the scenes but it seems that way.
I completely agree that the SEC needs to grow its base where it is applicable. I think Clemson and FSU would be good additions to the conference and the SEC should welcome them with open arms if they were to leave the ACC.
I don't think the BIG10 additions this year are truthfully that strong outside of Oregon and USC. Both have very large fan bases that draw viewers. I also think most of those university's sport programs outside of Football will suffer due to the travel, basketball playing across the country for a Tuesday night game, than home then right back on the plane Friday for another 5 hour flight. I think that will weaken the BIG10 sports outside of football.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:38 am to New Hampshire Tiger
The B1G will break apart eventually once it is too large.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:45 pm to TideFaninFl
You are onto the truth.
The SEC has nearly all the best programs in the talent rich states.
Adding Oregon and Washington and LA schools doesn't solve the big problem. The SEC gets all the talent. Ole Miss has a "crap" recruiting class by SEC standards and we'd consistently be 4-5th in the old B1G and the new B1G too.
The top half of the SEC has talent similar to OSU and Michigan.
Florida is crying about a class thats as good as the recruiting class that Penn State is excited about.
The SEC is just next level. The B1G is miles and miles behind and losing ground. We just added Texas and Oklahoma for crying out loud.
The SEC has nearly all the best programs in the talent rich states.
Adding Oregon and Washington and LA schools doesn't solve the big problem. The SEC gets all the talent. Ole Miss has a "crap" recruiting class by SEC standards and we'd consistently be 4-5th in the old B1G and the new B1G too.
The top half of the SEC has talent similar to OSU and Michigan.
Florida is crying about a class thats as good as the recruiting class that Penn State is excited about.
The SEC is just next level. The B1G is miles and miles behind and losing ground. We just added Texas and Oklahoma for crying out loud.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:14 pm to NickPapageorgio
What do you mean the BIG doesn’t have a good product? By what standards? I agree their top teams aren’t on the level of the SEC but what have 60% of the SEC done? Some of you are talking out both sides of your mouth. You say it’s about winning that makes a good product but then I simply ask what has Ole Miss, Miss St, Vandy, Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina and others won? Listen, I enjoy watching SEC games even when the teams aren’t contenders just like I like watching BIG and ACC games even though those teams aren’t contenders.
If you believe a national conference like the BIG won’t get eyeballs because one of their teams doesn’t win the Natty every year then that’s on you. Ole Miss fans, Clemson fans, GT fans, Florida fans will watch and I don’t see their teams in the tournament. And with expansion of the playoffs, the national interest will take off which is where the BIG will bring in more money. The SEC is still using the old model of regionalism which is fine but won’t generate more dollars. Remember when UGA traveled to Oregon? They loved it and I sure didn’t hear them saying things like “we shouldn’t play because it’s too far”. That’s what the BIG is going to be able to do all year. They’ll play in their regional pods but also can travel to new places especially when they take the southern ACC teams. That’s why their TV contracts are worth more which will eventually lead to attracting better players - hey kid, you wanna travel to Starkville or Fayetteville or LA, Miami, Atlanta, and Chicago.
If you believe a national conference like the BIG won’t get eyeballs because one of their teams doesn’t win the Natty every year then that’s on you. Ole Miss fans, Clemson fans, GT fans, Florida fans will watch and I don’t see their teams in the tournament. And with expansion of the playoffs, the national interest will take off which is where the BIG will bring in more money. The SEC is still using the old model of regionalism which is fine but won’t generate more dollars. Remember when UGA traveled to Oregon? They loved it and I sure didn’t hear them saying things like “we shouldn’t play because it’s too far”. That’s what the BIG is going to be able to do all year. They’ll play in their regional pods but also can travel to new places especially when they take the southern ACC teams. That’s why their TV contracts are worth more which will eventually lead to attracting better players - hey kid, you wanna travel to Starkville or Fayetteville or LA, Miami, Atlanta, and Chicago.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:32 pm to RunningJacket
Eyeballs?
I'm talking about talent.
The SEC has the best programs in the states with all the best talent.
You can have all the eyeballs you want but the SEC can and will compete on $ and will still have all the inherent talent advantages it has now....only with Texas and OU also in the mix.
When, exactly will the bottom of the B1G start recruiting bottom level SEC talent? I mean, we just had a signing period where 4 B1G teams recruited worse than Vandy. Four.
No amount of eyeballs is going to solve your Northwester, Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana problems.
They've sucked. They gonna keep sucking.....perpetually. For another 50 years. Wisconsin? LOL.
As long as the SEC has the very best programs....and we have EVERY SINGLE ONE....the conference will be fine.
I'm talking about talent.
The SEC has the best programs in the states with all the best talent.
You can have all the eyeballs you want but the SEC can and will compete on $ and will still have all the inherent talent advantages it has now....only with Texas and OU also in the mix.
When, exactly will the bottom of the B1G start recruiting bottom level SEC talent? I mean, we just had a signing period where 4 B1G teams recruited worse than Vandy. Four.
No amount of eyeballs is going to solve your Northwester, Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana problems.
They've sucked. They gonna keep sucking.....perpetually. For another 50 years. Wisconsin? LOL.
As long as the SEC has the very best programs....and we have EVERY SINGLE ONE....the conference will be fine.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:37 pm to New Hampshire Tiger
The B10 I believe is playing chess.
They are playing to be the NCAAFL. I predict they’ll make an insane double value mega share offer at some point to Bama, Florida, TX, LSU, OU, Georgia.
They are playing to be the NCAAFL. I predict they’ll make an insane double value mega share offer at some point to Bama, Florida, TX, LSU, OU, Georgia.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:44 pm to BurgTiger
The B1G became desperate to compete with the SEC because of 3 national titles in 30+ years.
Out of desperation they've added the best football schools in the PAC12. It wasn't 4D chess at all.
In response....we added Texas and Oklahoma.
The B1G is destroying college conferences all in a desperate attempt to be as relevant in football as the SEC. It isn't going to work. The SEC still has the best programs in the most talented states.
The collapse of the B1G looms in the not so distant future. You already see them saying its going to have to go to mega conferences now where they'll reform into regional sub conferences.......that's back at square one for them in reality.
All they've managed to do is destroy the PAC12 and will now attempt to destroy the ACC. Why? Because they are so jealous of the pile of Natties the SEC has won. Now we add Texas and OU to our powerhouse programs.
Out of desperation they've added the best football schools in the PAC12. It wasn't 4D chess at all.
In response....we added Texas and Oklahoma.
The B1G is destroying college conferences all in a desperate attempt to be as relevant in football as the SEC. It isn't going to work. The SEC still has the best programs in the most talented states.
The collapse of the B1G looms in the not so distant future. You already see them saying its going to have to go to mega conferences now where they'll reform into regional sub conferences.......that's back at square one for them in reality.
All they've managed to do is destroy the PAC12 and will now attempt to destroy the ACC. Why? Because they are so jealous of the pile of Natties the SEC has won. Now we add Texas and OU to our powerhouse programs.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:57 pm to NickPapageorgio
That’s what I think we’d like to believe as SEC fans. In reality they have outmaneuvered the SEC for money and we will never catch up. They’ll use that to test out allegiance. Spoiler alert we have Judas/Texas and they’ll lead the charge the second it leads to more money.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 2:05 pm to BurgTiger
How in the world have they outmanueverd the SEC.
They added one blue blood who's past it's prime....USC. We added Texas and Oklahoma.
We just got the ABC/ESPN/Disney deal.
The PAC schools they added get half shares for a decade.
Stop buying the media narrative.
We have the best programs to have other than OSU. We have Bama, Texas, Florida, Georgia and LSU. Nothing they have is like those programs when it comes to football.
Not Michigan....really not even OSU but I'll let them have OSU. USC? Please. They don't even care anymore out there, they barely ever have honestly.
Penn State didn't help them. Nebraska didn't help them. They adding more that won't help them win actual titles vs the SEC.
The only school left that could help them really is FSU but here in the South, including Florida, the SEC is just as much king today as it ever has been with no sign of abating.
I'll remind you again. We added Texas and Oklahoma.....two programs as good or better than anything in the B1G today, tomorrow or twenty years from now.
They added one blue blood who's past it's prime....USC. We added Texas and Oklahoma.
We just got the ABC/ESPN/Disney deal.
The PAC schools they added get half shares for a decade.
Stop buying the media narrative.
We have the best programs to have other than OSU. We have Bama, Texas, Florida, Georgia and LSU. Nothing they have is like those programs when it comes to football.
Not Michigan....really not even OSU but I'll let them have OSU. USC? Please. They don't even care anymore out there, they barely ever have honestly.
Penn State didn't help them. Nebraska didn't help them. They adding more that won't help them win actual titles vs the SEC.
The only school left that could help them really is FSU but here in the South, including Florida, the SEC is just as much king today as it ever has been with no sign of abating.
I'll remind you again. We added Texas and Oklahoma.....two programs as good or better than anything in the B1G today, tomorrow or twenty years from now.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 3:32 pm to NickPapageorgio
I'm not so sure natty’s are what the BIG leadership is focused on currently. The SEC is seemingly tied to a sinking ship- Espn/Disney, but the BIG just got a billion dollar contract spread over 3 different networks- Espn will likely never match that for the SEC.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 3:38 pm to GTnerd
We all know the B1G got a new TV deal.
The SEC isn't a league of poors. We have the best programs and we'll be just fine.
The SEC isn't a league of poors. We have the best programs and we'll be just fine.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:12 pm to NickPapageorgio
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The SEC is just next level. The B1G is miles and miles behind and losing ground. We just added Texas and Oklahoma for crying out loud.
If they add NC/UVA/FSU/Miami and GT they’ll have TV markets in the biggest cities in the nation not in Texas. The SEC will basically have the same TV markets we have now. They will be nationwide the SEC will be regional. That is not sustainable, even at Alabama - they can DOMINATE tv and coverage….and that will eventually mean recruiting. Even the playing field in recruiting because they dominate TV and give them more money and it won’t matter what the SEC has done in the last 30 years. The Big10 may have sucked arse on the field over that period compared to the SEC but they are still around and pose an existential threat to the SEC as a nation wide conference. The PAC 12 had some powerhouses in the past as did the Big 8 or whatever it was called. They no longer exist. The SEC is not immune to facing down an organization with similar resources that has already proven they are planning nationwide for the future and not regionally. It probably never happens but it won’t happen over night….but 10 years from now with what they have now plus 4-5 ACC teams and ND? Anyone doubting THAT may be a problem for the SEC is just unwilling to consider what the Big10 is doing.
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