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Ok Bama and Texas fans, let's hear it...
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:32 am
Your arguments for why Bama should or should not jump into the CFP over the Horns if both run the table.
I'll get the obvious points out of the way, then let yall grapple over the other factors to consider...
Texas - If they both win out, NO WAY they put Bama in over Texas after the Horns won convincingly head-to-head.
Bama - If Bama beats UGA, especially convincingly, it will be the mother-of-all quality wins this season, proving that the Tide MUST be considered one of the best 4 teams in the country despite that loss to the Longhorns that might as well have happened back in the Jurassic period as far as Tide fans are concerned.
Sooo...take the podium and lets hear it. To jump or not to jump? THAT is the question...
I'll get the obvious points out of the way, then let yall grapple over the other factors to consider...
Texas - If they both win out, NO WAY they put Bama in over Texas after the Horns won convincingly head-to-head.
Bama - If Bama beats UGA, especially convincingly, it will be the mother-of-all quality wins this season, proving that the Tide MUST be considered one of the best 4 teams in the country despite that loss to the Longhorns that might as well have happened back in the Jurassic period as far as Tide fans are concerned.
Sooo...take the podium and lets hear it. To jump or not to jump? THAT is the question...
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 11:35 am
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:33 am to Darindawg
there's no argument. if we're both 12-1 conference champs, head to head wins. anyone who disagrees is being intentionally obtuse.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:34 am to Darindawg
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Your arguments for why Bama should or should not jump the Horns if both run the table.
I don't think that there would be an argument for Bama considering the head to head.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:34 am to Darindawg
If it's 12-1 Alabama vs 12-1 Texas then Texas goes. Not really an argument to be made that holds much water.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:35 am to Darindawg
Head to head
This is the way
This is the way
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:37 am to Funky Tide 8
Wow...I was expecting a little more of a challenge from you Tide fans. I've seen others on other threads making more of
an argument.
an argument.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:39 am to Darindawg
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Wow...I was expecting a little more of a challenge from you Tide fans. I've seen others on other threads making more of
an argument.
The only argument that could be made is better overall resume (with a UGA win) and that Alabama has proven to be better than they were in September. Personally, I don't think the resume difference is big enough to discount the head to head result and I don't think "getting better" really matters in terms of picking teams.
Our best bet is for FSU to lose and for Washington to lose this weekend or to Oregon. Our chances at winning a 12-1 debate vs Oregon are much better than Texas.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 11:40 am
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:40 am to Monsusta
I used to think head to head matchups mattered and that was back when they could only select two teams
At least in this hypothetical Alabama would have at least won the West and the SEC
At least in this hypothetical Alabama would have at least won the West and the SEC
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:40 am to Darindawg
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Wow...I was expecting a little more of a challenge from you Tide fans.
Sistracted
Sister’s in town
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:42 am to Darindawg
Alls I can say is this. If Alabama wins out and everything else is chalk. The committee has really boxed themselves in with this shite.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:43 am to Darindawg
I think an argument could be made that Alabama has developed into a better team than Texas (currently).
But they won when they had the opportunity and we didn't, so there isn't really any argument about jumping them, all other things being equal.
IMO the better argument would be either Texas or Alabama jumping Oregon, for example.
At some point SOS has to matter, or there is simply no reason to schedule a team with a pulse.
But they won when they had the opportunity and we didn't, so there isn't really any argument about jumping them, all other things being equal.
IMO the better argument would be either Texas or Alabama jumping Oregon, for example.
At some point SOS has to matter, or there is simply no reason to schedule a team with a pulse.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:44 am to Darindawg
We should not jump them in that case.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:44 am to partywiththelombardi
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I used to think head to head matchups mattered and that was back when they could only select two teams
The difference between this year and 2011 is that after LSU beat Alabama in the SEC CG, 1-loss Oklahoma State was Alabama's competition for the #2 BCS spot. Alabama and Oklahoma State obviously didn't play, so of course Alabama won that argument.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:45 am to Darindawg
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Wow...I was expecting a little more of a challenge from you Tide fans. I've seen others on other threads making more of
an argument.
There isn't that much of an argument. Alabama's early season loss to a Texas team that is scraping by middling opponents late in the season sucks but it is what it is. Most people figure Alabama would handle Texas now but they didn't then.
Only thing you could possibly point to is the CFP published protocols state that head to head is only to be considered to distinguish between "otherwise comparable teams" so if the committee considers Alabama's resume to be significantly better than Texas such that they are not "otherwise comparable" then the head to head would not even be considered according to the CFP published protocols. In reality though 12-1 Power 5 conference champs are likely going to be viewed as "otherwise comparable" so head to head will be considered.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:45 am to paperwasp
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IMO the better argument would be either Texas or Alabama jumping Oregon, for example.
At some point SOS has to matter, or there is simply no reason to schedule a team with a pulse.
It's pretty ridiculous at this point. The resumes of Alabama/Texas and Oregon aren't even in the same stratosphere. Oregon is ranked above both because they beat teams they "should" beat by 27 by 32 instead.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:46 am to Darindawg
In years past, strength of schedule and how the teams are playing week to week was a factor. It wasn't just about the head to head. The committee isn't applying criteria equally to everyone this year.
Bottom line, who cares... The committee is total bullshite and really not about picking the best 4 teams at the end of the year.
Bottom line, who cares... The committee is total bullshite and really not about picking the best 4 teams at the end of the year.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:50 am to PerrillouxToTexas
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there's no argument. if we're both 12-1 conference champs, head to head wins. anyone who disagrees is being intentionally obtuse.
SEC - Alabama - y'all suk. So my argument wins.
If we're both 12-1 conf champs it would be bad for either not to get a chance, but it is what it is.
Head to head is almost always the 1st tie breaker.
If y'all get into the playoff's i'll pull for you over any Big10 PAC2-12 or ACC teams.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:50 am to paperwasp
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I think an argument could be made that Alabama has developed into a better team than Texas (currently).
But they won when they had the opportunity and we didn't, so there isn't really any argument about jumping them, all other things being equal.
IMO the better argument would be either Texas or Alabama jumping Oregon, for example.
At some point SOS has to matter, or there is simply no reason to schedule a team with a pulse.
There's an argument to jump Texas for sure. A legit argument. Head to head matters but it's not the only thing that matters and it's those other things that bring in the purpose of an actual committee. Otherwise, just stick with the AP and Coaches poll.
A committee is supposed to weigh everything and they're obviously not based on where Alabama is ranked.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:50 am to Darindawg
If they have the same record and both teams are conference champs.
Texas no question should be in over Alabama. I don't think anyone really thinks differently.
Texas no question should be in over Alabama. I don't think anyone really thinks differently.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:53 am to UltimaParadox
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If they have the same record and both teams are conference champs.
Texas no question should be in over Alabama. I don't think anyone really thinks differently.
Well if it's that black and white, get rid of the committee. The purpose is to get the four best, not the four most deserving.
Alabama's a better team than Texas.
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