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re: New ESPN investigative report on the murder of Jamea Harris/Brandon Miller situation.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:09 am to Mulkey Man
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:09 am to Mulkey Man
How would you know?
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Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:09 am to cmayes56
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If what’s in that article is true about the timeline of events, what happened etc… a lot of people owe Brandon Miller an apology.
Not really, this article doesn't change anything.
The "problem" was always proving intent and no one really knows what Miller knew except for Miller.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:09 am to Mulkey Man
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I think they could have easily used the text to Miller as circumstantial evidence
The text is not enough. Keep in mind that the standard is very high. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means "to the exclusion of any other reasonable explanation." Not, I think he probably did it, or it's likely he did it. We're talking levels of nearly absolute certainty.
It's a much higher bar than most people think.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:09 am to BigFolks6347
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Exactly. The boyfriend seems like the agitator in this whole equation. He pulled the weapon first and then he pulls behind Brandon Miller and blocks him in then he shoots through Brandon’s car.
We're not exactly sure if boyfriend ever flashed a gun or not. That's a heavily disputed point. Also, its not entirely clear that the boyfriend intentionally blocked anybody in. Its the same as when posters on here took the word "blocking" and crafted a narrative that Miller and Bradley used their cars to circle and corner the victim like a pack of hyenas
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 11:12 am
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:10 am to Mulkey Man
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I don't read it that way at all. They obviously asked Miller if he knew the gun he delivered was going to be used to shoot at the victims. He said no, and they had no way to disprove his statement.
They obviously asked Miles if he knew Davis was going to shoot the victims. He said no, but they are using the fact that Miles had his girlfriend leave the area as evidence of Miles' intent. Seems pretty thin to me.
So you are just making up shite that you assume that's not in the article and claiming that's how you read it?
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:11 am to NaturalStateReb
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The text is not enough. Keep in mind that the standard is very high. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means "to the exclusion of any other reasonable explanation." Not, I think he probably did it, or it's likely he did it. We're talking levels of nearly absolute certainty.
It's a much higher bar than most people think.
Can't disagree with you. I wonder if they can even meet that standard in prosecuting Miles. My guess is he pleads out at some point to help convict Davis on a murder charge.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:11 am to SidewalkTiger
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The "problem" was always proving intent and no one really knows what Miller knew except for Miller.
Except people like Goodman and Clay Travis immediately began twitting and writing articles as if they did know.. thus the problem and the bullshite narrative they presented without the facts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:11 am to NaturalStateReb
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The text is not enough. Keep in mind that the standard is very high. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means "to the exclusion of any other reasonable explanation." Not, I think he probably did it, or it's likely he did it. We're talking levels of nearly absolute certainty.
It's a much higher bar than most people think.
I mean this is how it's supposed to work but people are convicted all the time on very shaky evidence.
However, with this being a highly publicized case, the DA will have their ducks in a row.
Sometimes it pays to be a public figure.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:13 am to cmayes56
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Except people like Goodman and Clay Travis immediately began twitting and writing articles as if they did know.. thus the problem and the bull shite narrative they presented without the facts
You've done the exact same thing in favor of Miller.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:13 am to Roll Tide Ravens
It's amazing how shitty the press is. Do a google search for Cedric Johnson and almost nothing comes up. I think it is equally important to learn as much as possible about all the events that occurred in the death of Jamea Harris. It shouldn't matter if some people play basketball for Alabama and some do not. It's all tabloid journalism for dollars now.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:13 am to Mulkey Man
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I think they could have easily used the text to Miller as circumstantial evidence to prove his knowledge, but they chose not to.
Circumstantial evidence, by itself, does not prove guilt. It is used to infer other facts that could aid in reaching a conclusion of guilt. I don’t practice much criminal law, so I don’t use this stuff daily, but it seems difficult to take a text message that we don’t even know that Miller read and be able to conclude that Miller intended to deliver a gun to be used in the commission of a crime. Because of the difficulty in showing that, the prosecutors did not believe they had anything to charge him with.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 11:17 am
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:14 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Conclusion: Alabama harbors accomplices to murder for wins in shooty hoops, a sport the majority of Americans DGAF about.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:14 am to SidewalkTiger
Not at all! I said all along there’s a reason he wasn’t charged, let’s see what comes out. If he’s guilty, I hope he goes to jail. But I’m not going to stand on some moral stump and attempt to ruin his life on hearsay
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 11:16 am
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:17 am to SidewalkTiger
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I mean this is how it's supposed to work but people are convicted all the time on very shaky evidence.
However, with this being a highly publicized case, the DA will have their ducks in a row.
Sometimes it pays to be a public figure.
True, but ironically it works more like this the more complex a case is.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:17 am to Mulkey Man
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Can't disagree with you. I wonder if they can even meet that standard in prosecuting Miles. My guess is he pleads out at some point to help convict Davis on a murder charge.
Based solely on this account, I think you may be right.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:17 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Circumstantial evidence, by itself, does not prove guilt. It is used to infer other facts that could aid in reaching a conclusion of guilt. I don’t practice much criminal law, so I don’t use this stuff daily, but it seems difficult to take a text message that we don’t even know that Miller read and be able to conclude that Miller planned to deliver a gun to be used in the commission of a crime. Because of the difficulty in showing that, the prosecutors did not believe they had anything to charge him with.
I agree with your conclusion. It comes down to guessing at Miller's intent in the court of public opinion. In a real court, you can't make that guess to convict someone.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:18 am to cmayes56
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Not at all! I said all along there’s a reason he wasn’t charged, let’s see what comes out. If he’s guilty, I hope he goes to jail. But I’m not going to stand on some moral stump and attempt to ruin his life on hearsay
You've literally said he didn't do anything criminal.
Lets just agree that a lot of people on both sides have decided whether he's guilty or not when no one really knows except for Miller.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:21 am to Glorious
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1. Was involved in and/or witnessed the initially confrontation
2. Was with and/or conversed with the shooter after the initial confrontation
3. Acted on his comprehensive knowledge of the situation and took steps towards getting the gun to that location
4. Physically handed the gun to the shooter
5. Informed the shooter that the gun was loaded with one in the chamber
If you cant see the difference, I don't know what to tell you
He also lied to police when he said Miles just showed up to his apartment shot. One other thing the article brings up is Miles' girlfriend driving the getaway car yet she's mentioned very little in the rest of the article. As far as probable cause for being an accessory, she seems to have a lot more exposure than Miller. She sees a guy with a bullet hole in his shoulder and running away with a gun, and is like "hurry up get in." Then, no one calls the police until they get back to Miles' apartment and everyone plays dumb. His girlfriend may not have known what was up before it happened, but she certainly had enough knowledge not to play along with the bullshite lie Miles initially told police officers.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:28 am to Mulkey Man
quote:It is an interesting question, because, while there are some differences, the line between not missing a game and fighting to not spend the rest of your life in jail is pretty thin.
What exactly did Miles do different than Miller?
Miles sent a text after the initial verbal altercation asking for his gun.
Miles told his friend where the gun was and that there was 1 in the chamber.
Miles relocated his gf away from the gun fire just before it began.
Miles told multiple lies after the fact.
This was enough that prosecutors believe they can show intent.
Miller was sent a request for the gun because a n was fakin.
Miller showed up with the gun.
Miller was present for the conversation about the location of the gun in the car and one being in the chamber.
Miller apparently fled the scene and failed to report the crime. What he did after the incident is still largely unknown.
Prosecutors aren’t sure they can prove Miller saw the text and delivered the gun with the knowledge it was going to be used for criminal activity.
Miller’s conduct wasn’t vastly different than Miles. That leads to a couple of thoughts:
1. Miler is extremely lucky the prosecutors took the approach they did. It is unusual that he wasn’t at least charged given the reported facts.
2. Miles has a chance to establish reasonable doubt as to his intent and may avoid a prison sentence.
ETA: why is the reporter granted access to video to report on it, but it can’t be released?
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:30 am to Roll Tide Ravens
The hacks at AL.com could have investigated like this but instead just chose to throw Miller under the bus for clicks. Typical
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