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re: Kirby became fastest coach in SEC history to win 100 games
Posted on 10/22/24 at 4:41 pm to volinknox
Posted on 10/22/24 at 4:41 pm to volinknox
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I've been watching since the 60's.....Georgia has historically had one the softest SEC schedules. IMO with the amount of in state talent...They are the most underachieving team in the history of the SEC.
Georgia historically also has one of the toughest OOC schedules and post season schedules under Kirby Smart.
In Smart's 117 games to get to 100 wins he's played 50 of them were against ranked opponents. 43%. That's insane.
12 of them were either SEC championship games or playoff games. (10%)
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Posted on 10/22/24 at 4:46 pm to VoxDawg
And he took over a fairly strong program where as Saban had a slight rebuild and Spurrier had his work cut out.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:58 pm to southpawcock
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That pumpkin pie haircutted freak
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Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:25 pm to Ghost of Colby
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but Kirby took over a team coming off of consecutive ten win seasons, but still underperforming.
LSU fans love to ding Miles for taking over a ready-made championship team and winning with Saban's players. To a lesser extent, Kirby did the same thing.
That said, winning a championship is fricking hard. Neither has anything to apologize for. Miles proved over time he was an elite head coach for close to a decade and Kirby has proven he is currently the best coach in college football and likely will be for some time.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:59 pm to volinknox
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Fulmer did it in 123 games......And that was when you didn't play 15 games a year.
Yeah but he ate enough food during that period to last 246 games so he had an unfair advantage, really.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:04 am to djsdawg
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What led to your confusion?
As I said, I gave you too much credit. It should have been obvious where the SoS would matter - over the games the coaches coached, not the years prior to them coaching.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:57 am to 3down10
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It should have been obvious where the SoS would matter - over the games the coaches coached, not the years prior to them coaching.
We were obviously talking about something different from that, so this spin makes no sense at all. You just forgot. That’s all.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:52 am to VoxDawg
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It's worth noting that unlike Saban and Spurrier, this is Kirby's first HC gig
First HC job and one at a program where the pressure to produce is as high as it is in CFB. Spurrier cut his teeth at Duke where winning 6-7 games is acceptable and Saban did it at Toledo. Nowhere near as much pressure at Duke and Toledo as there is at UGA.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 5:00 am to 3down10
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Because he was born on 3rd base. He didn't have to build a program like LSU or rebuild a program like Alabama.
Good example of why these kinds of stats are pretty dumb. They have no context.
Unlike some UGA fans I seriously think what Kirby has accomplished is a direct result of Mark Richt's tenure at UGA. The program was in very good shape and only missing a few pieces. Its also a result of Nick Saban, not only in Kirby working for him but the immense pressure Saban and Alabama put on the rest of the conference to be elite. All that said stepping into a pressure cooker the likes of which exists at a high profile program is akin to drinking from a fire hose. Saban and Spurrier both had an interim job with programs with far less pressure to win that allowed them to learn the difference between being a high performing assistant and being the HC. The fact that Smart stepped into that environment, a program poised on the edge of being elite, and moved the needle significantly from year 2 on is almost unprecedented in CFB. It is a MAJOR step up. Drinking from a 1 inch water line like Saban and Spurrier did to start is not close to the 4 inch line Kirby was drinking from in year one. All three are formidable, one of them is the GOAT, but Kirby's tenure is impressive.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 5:14 am to LSUTigresFan
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Would he have gotten to 100 that fast playing in the SEC West?
Nick Saban didn't. Spurrier didn't. They did it at Toledo, Michigan State and Duke, in part. Suggesting that winning in the SEC east is easier than it is at Toledo and the ACC / Big10 is a double dose of copium. For all but 1 of Smart's seasons at UGA he coached against the best team in the SEC West AND against 2 teams from the west every season.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 5:38 am to volinknox
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Fulmer did it in 123 games......And that was when you didn't play 15 games a year.
In a 15 game schedule you play the best team from the other side of the conference and 2 playoff teams. You ain't playing Directional State School....its Oklahoma and Ohio State and Alabama and LSU. Phil Fuhlmer won a natty coaching in and winning 13 games. That would make him the SEC Champion in last years CFB world with 2 more games against playoff caliber teams and in this years system it would be 3 games against playoff caliber teams. Fuhlmer coached the same number of regular season games.
12 of the 117 games included 6 SEC Title Games against a pretty decent opponent, 3 CFB Playoff games against a pretty good opponent and 3 national title games against what were teams who played their way into the title game. UGA also played some pretty good bowl teams and regular season opponents OOC during that stretch...Notre Dame twice, Oregon, Clemson. No other coach can claim to have done that. Plenty have done impressive shite, some have done far more, but none have done specifically that....
Posted on 10/23/24 at 5:44 am to AwgustaDawg
congratulations UGA as a lifelong Vols Fan i am jealous . JH is a good coach but he’s Not this level
Posted on 10/23/24 at 6:26 am to dawgfan24348
He took over after another really good coach in Mark Richt. A lot of Georgia fans won’t admit it, but he was.
According to Wiki -
Richt finished his career at Georgia with 145 wins and 51 losses, making him the second-winningest coach in Georgia history (after Vince Dooley's 201). He left with the highest winning percentage of any coach with more than 29 games at the school.
If this is true, which I would defer to UGa fans, Kirby took a very good UGA program and made it great.
According to Wiki -
Richt finished his career at Georgia with 145 wins and 51 losses, making him the second-winningest coach in Georgia history (after Vince Dooley's 201). He left with the highest winning percentage of any coach with more than 29 games at the school.
If this is true, which I would defer to UGa fans, Kirby took a very good UGA program and made it great.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 7:45 am to southernboisb
Posted on 10/23/24 at 10:44 am to RTRnFlorida
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He took over after another really good coach in Mark Richt. A lot of Georgia fans won’t admit it, but he was.
He started amazingly well, and then he got fired because things weren’t going so well.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:40 am to RTRnFlorida
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If this is true, which I would defer to UGa fans, Kirby took a very good UGA program and made it great.
Richts last couple of seasons were not great...not terrible but not great. What Richt did accomplish at UGA was dragging the program, kicking and screaming at times, into the modern era and convinced the powers that be to invest in facilities and do what was needed to make UGA competitive. He did not accomplish everything needed or that he set out to do in this area but he won enough to make the dimwitted frickers who control the money at UGA to open their eyes and see what could be. Had this not occurred I sincerely doubt Smart takes the job. If UGA was still mired in the also ran state that it was in when Richt was hired, in terms of facilities and resources, It is doubtful, in my mind, that Smart....who had seen what was needed while in Tuscaloosa....would have taken the job. UGA was not a great program when Dooley left....the facilities were older than dirt and there was no real interest in UGA being competitive at a high level, 7-8 wins a year was good enough. It didn't get any better between Dooley and Richt. It got INFINITELY better while Richt was there....and it has made a HUGE difference in the direction of the program. Wins keep a coach employed but there are some serious improvements in the program which can be made with stability AND wins. Mark Richt provided that and made a big difference in the direction of the UGA football program.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:45 am to Cocotheape
And was in his 11th year of being a head coach
He should have a faster turnaround, so its basically even.
Kirby with no HC experience takes over a depleted GA program but had more wins than losses
Saban who took over an LSU team that won the SEC two years prior and was in his 11th year
Seems similar or same to me
He should have a faster turnaround, so its basically even.
Kirby with no HC experience takes over a depleted GA program but had more wins than losses
Saban who took over an LSU team that won the SEC two years prior and was in his 11th year
Seems similar or same to me
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:34 pm to djsdawg
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We were obviously talking about something different from that, so this spin makes no sense at all. You just forgot. That’s all.
Forgot about what?
There is only 1 way in which the SoS would matter when comparing how long it took coaches to reach 100 wins.
And even by your incorrect numbers, the SoS difference was nearly 15% difference, which is actually significant.
Not to mention you apparently think SoS metrics work because of "1 extra G5".
Again, I thought you were smarter than that and I gave you too much credit. Now I just kind of feel like you are too dumb to even debate with on such topics.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:48 pm to dawgfan24348
The fastest 5 in the SEC are:
1. Smart - 117 games
2. Saban - 118 games
3. Spurrier - 120 games
4. Fulmer - 124 games
5. Bryant - 126 games
Here is the record for the programs for the 5 years prior to them taking over:
1. Smart - Mark Richt - 50-17 - 74.63%
2. Saban - Dennis Franchione/Mike Shula - 60-27 - 68.97%
3. Spurrier - Galen Hall - 35-22-1 - 61.21%
4. Fulmer - Johnny Majors - 43-15-2 - 73.33%
5. Bryant - Red Drew/Jennings Whitworth - 14-32-7 - 33.02%
So, while what Kirby did is amazing...nothing holds a candle to the turnaround that Bama saw under Bear Bryant.
ETA...Saban's numbers only reflect what he inherited at Alabama. I did not include his numbers at LSU. My bad.
1. Smart - 117 games
2. Saban - 118 games
3. Spurrier - 120 games
4. Fulmer - 124 games
5. Bryant - 126 games
Here is the record for the programs for the 5 years prior to them taking over:
1. Smart - Mark Richt - 50-17 - 74.63%
2. Saban - Dennis Franchione/Mike Shula - 60-27 - 68.97%
3. Spurrier - Galen Hall - 35-22-1 - 61.21%
4. Fulmer - Johnny Majors - 43-15-2 - 73.33%
5. Bryant - Red Drew/Jennings Whitworth - 14-32-7 - 33.02%
So, while what Kirby did is amazing...nothing holds a candle to the turnaround that Bama saw under Bear Bryant.
ETA...Saban's numbers only reflect what he inherited at Alabama. I did not include his numbers at LSU. My bad.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:17 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
This was from a stat measuring Heupel's first 46 games but it shows you how Saban did at both stops and just has some interesting coaching stats to compare early performance.
Kirby UGA - 36-10
Saban Bama - 38-8
Saban LSU - 33-13
Heupel Tenn - 33-13
Harbaugh UM - 34-12
Meyer Florida - 37-9
Franklin PSU - 31-15
Dabo Clem. - 29-17
I do think Smart benefited from taking over an already good program but Saban didn't inherit a talentless BAMA team. He inherited a mess in their bureaucracy but a condition of him taking the job was that he was given a ridiculous amount of control (especially for the time). It's a bit of a wash.
Kirby UGA - 36-10
Saban Bama - 38-8
Saban LSU - 33-13
Heupel Tenn - 33-13
Harbaugh UM - 34-12
Meyer Florida - 37-9
Franklin PSU - 31-15
Dabo Clem. - 29-17
I do think Smart benefited from taking over an already good program but Saban didn't inherit a talentless BAMA team. He inherited a mess in their bureaucracy but a condition of him taking the job was that he was given a ridiculous amount of control (especially for the time). It's a bit of a wash.
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