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Average final score of all semi final games in all the past 4 team playoffs
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:37 pm
40-21.
But “muh the new playoffs suck!” Is it really a shocker that adding a bunch of even lower ranked teams to the playoffs would result in even more blowouts. It’s the nature of college football. It is not a high parity sport. Get over it
But “muh the new playoffs suck!” Is it really a shocker that adding a bunch of even lower ranked teams to the playoffs would result in even more blowouts. It’s the nature of college football. It is not a high parity sport. Get over it
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:42 pm to Lgrnwd
I will never complain about having meaningful college football games on the weekend before Christmas.
The Famous Idaho Potato Bowl is a close game right now and maybe that's more your speed if you want to check it out.
The Famous Idaho Potato Bowl is a close game right now and maybe that's more your speed if you want to check it out.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:44 pm to Lgrnwd
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It is not a high parity sport
Never has been.
Be interesting to watch what NIL and instant and unrestricted transfers do to parity.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:56 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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meaningful college football games
Heh...
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:22 pm to Lgrnwd
Saw a graphic earlier. So far in 12 Team CFP avg margin: 19.3
Avg margin in 4 Team: 18.6
Truth is there really haven’t been many good CFP games historically. Ratings aside there hasn’t been much difference with the new format yet.
Avg margin in 4 Team: 18.6
Truth is there really haven’t been many good CFP games historically. Ratings aside there hasn’t been much difference with the new format yet.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:31 pm to WestSideTiger
I think folks got spoiled on the Alabama/Clemson and Alabama/Georgia match-ups.
2015 Alabama 45 vs Clemson 40
2016 Clemson 35 vs Alabama 31
2017 Alabama 26 vs Georgia 23 (OT)
After that the closest title game was 15 points. 2017 was probably the best playoff, all games considered - 2 overtime games and 1 lower scoring affair that was close as 10-6 in the second half. 2023 would be right up there if TCU hadn't gotten absolutely destroyed in the title game (the semifinal games decided by 1 point and 6 points).
2024 was also a good one, as both semifinal games were 1 score affairs (Michigan over Alabama by 7 in OT, Washington over Texas by 6).
Honestly, in the previous two years, it was the semifinal games that gave us actual drama. The title games were WAY more lopsided.
2015 Alabama 45 vs Clemson 40
2016 Clemson 35 vs Alabama 31
2017 Alabama 26 vs Georgia 23 (OT)
After that the closest title game was 15 points. 2017 was probably the best playoff, all games considered - 2 overtime games and 1 lower scoring affair that was close as 10-6 in the second half. 2023 would be right up there if TCU hadn't gotten absolutely destroyed in the title game (the semifinal games decided by 1 point and 6 points).
2024 was also a good one, as both semifinal games were 1 score affairs (Michigan over Alabama by 7 in OT, Washington over Texas by 6).
Honestly, in the previous two years, it was the semifinal games that gave us actual drama. The title games were WAY more lopsided.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:39 pm to Lgrnwd
Comparing the first round of a 12 team playoff at home fields to the first round of a 4 team playoff at neutral sites isn't really an apples to apples comparison.
Let's wait until the semifinals, when there's 4 teams left, and compare that round to the 4 team playoff. If the semifinals are more competitive on average then to me that's improvement.
Let's wait until the semifinals, when there's 4 teams left, and compare that round to the 4 team playoff. If the semifinals are more competitive on average then to me that's improvement.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:29 pm to Lgrnwd
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40-21.
But “muh the new playoffs suck!” Is it really a shocker that adding a bunch of even lower ranked teams to the playoffs would result in even more blowouts. It’s the nature of college football. It is not a high parity sport. Get over it
That's beside the point. At least with the 4 team playoff the team getting blown out still did plenty to earn their way into the playoff and in 10 years you only had two teams...TCU and Cincinatti...that had their inclusion in the playoff questioned to any real degree.
There will often be a little bit of controversy over the last team but in the very first year of this playoff you already had two teams benefit from weak to very weak regular season schedules getting into the playoff over teams that played much much more difficult schedules.
Here's a breakdown of the last few teams that got in as well as a few that didn't get in and who they played...
Indiana vs regular season ranked opponents:
Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 0-1
Lost 38-15 to #6 Ohio State
Best regular season wins:
Michigan 7-5
Nebraska 6-6
Washington 6-6
UCLA 5-7
Michigan State 5-7
SMU
Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 0-1
Lost 18-15 to #17 BYU
Best regular season wins:
Duke 9-3
Louisville 8-4
TCU 8-4
Pitt 7-5
BC 7-5
Clemson
Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 0-2
Lost 34-3 to #2 Georgia
Lost 17-14 t0 #16 South Carolina
Best regular season wins:
Pitt 7-5
Virginia Tech 6-6
NC State 6-6
Virginia 5-7
Citadel 5-7
Teams that did not get in:
Alabama (9-3)
Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 3-1
Beat #2 Georgia 41-34
Beat #15 South Carolina 27-25
Beat #19 Missouri 34-0
Lost to #9 Tennessee 24-17
Best regular season wins:
#2 Georgia 10-2
#15 South Carolina 9-3
#19 Missouri 9-3
LSU 8-4
Western Kentucky 8-6
Ole Miss (9-3)
Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 2-0
Beat #2 Georgia 28-10
Beat #15 South Carolina 27-3
Best regular season wins:
#2 Georgia 10-2
#15 South Carolina 9-3
Arkansas 6-6
Oklahoma 6-6
Georgia Southern - 8-5
South Carolina (9-3)
Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 2-2
Beat #19 Missouri 34-30
Beat #16 Clemson 17-14
Lost 27-25 to #11 Alabama
Lost 27-3 to #14 Ole Miss
Best regular season wins:
#14 Clemson 9-3
#19 Missouri 9-3
Texas A&M 8-4
Oklahoma 6-6
Vanderbilt 6-6
Not shown on their is LSU who Alabama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina all played as well. LSU would have been the 2nd best team on both Indiana and SMU's regular season schedule.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:35 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Texas played a home game three days before Christmas against Clemson, a team we have never played in all of CFB history.
I’m not going to pretend that wasn’t cool as shite.
I’m not going to pretend that wasn’t cool as shite.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:37 pm to Govt Tide
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That's beside the point. At least with the 4 team playoff the team getting blown out still did plenty to earn their way into the playoff and in 10 years you only had two teams...TCU and Cincinatti...that had their inclusion in the playoff questioned to any real degree. There will often be a little bit of controversy over the last team but in the very first year of this playoff you already had two teams benefit from weak to very weak regular season schedules getting into the playoff over teams that played much much more difficult schedules. Here's a breakdown of the last few teams that got in as well as a few that didn't get in and who they played... Indiana vs regular season ranked opponents: Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 0-1 Lost 38-15 to #6 Ohio State Best regular season wins: Michigan 7-5 Nebraska 6-6 Washington 6-6 UCLA 5-7 Michigan State 5-7 SMU Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 0-1 Lost 18-15 to #17 BYU Best regular season wins: Duke 9-3 Louisville 8-4 TCU 8-4 Pitt 7-5 BC 7-5 Clemson Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 0-2 Lost 34-3 to #2 Georgia Lost 17-14 t0 #16 South Carolina Best regular season wins: Pitt 7-5 Virginia Tech 6-6 NC State 6-6 Virginia 5-7 Citadel 5-7 Teams that did not get in: Alabama (9-3) Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 3-1 Beat #2 Georgia 41-34 Beat #15 South Carolina 27-25 Beat #19 Missouri 34-0 Lost to #9 Tennessee 24-17 Best regular season wins: #2 Georgia 10-2 #15 South Carolina 9-3 #19 Missouri 9-3 LSU 8-4 Western Kentucky 8-6 Ole Miss (9-3) Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 2-0 Beat #2 Georgia 28-10 Beat #15 South Carolina 27-3 Best regular season wins: #2 Georgia 10-2 #15 South Carolina 9-3 Arkansas 6-6 Oklahoma 6-6 Georgia Southern - 8-5 South Carolina (9-3) Regular season record vs Top 25 teams: 2-2 Beat #19 Missouri 34-30 Beat #16 Clemson 17-14 Lost 27-25 to #11 Alabama Lost 27-3 to #14 Ole Miss Best regular season wins: #14 Clemson 9-3 #19 Missouri 9-3 Texas A&M 8-4 Oklahoma 6-6 Vanderbilt 6-6 Not shown on their is LSU who Alabama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina all played as well. LSU would have been the 2nd best team on both Indiana and SMU's regular season schedule.
Given Alabama’s history against 6-6 teams this year, they would have at least two losses if they played Indiana’s schedule. The fact that Alabama changed the sheets (beat Georgia) doesn’t change the fact they shat the bed twice against inferior teams.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:12 pm to BradBallard
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Given Alabama’s history against 6-6 teams this year, they would have at least two losses if they played Indiana’s schedule. The fact that Alabama changed the sheets (beat Georgia) doesn’t change the fact they shat the bed twice against inferior teams.
True, and that would be a good point if I trying to make the argument that a 3 loss Alabama team deserved to get in over a 1 loss Indiana team which would be an absurd argument to make. The reason I bring their schedule up is that Indiana with their incredibly weak schedule would have still likely gotten in the playoff over both a 2 loss Alabama team (if we had beaten Vandy for example) and a 2 loss South Carolina team if they held on to beat LSU.
The argument isn't as much about this year's playoff as it is next year's and so on when these same scenarios will continue to play out year after year where an SEC team playing a brutal schedule loses one more game than say a 1 loss ACC or Big Ten team that just happened to dodge all the good teams on their schedule.
The SEC is going to be robbed of an extra deserving playoff team most years because of the lopsided scheduling.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:43 pm to skrayper
In playoff games its more than just "selection got it wrong" for why we always see blowouts - of course we see teams that just get purely outclassed, but coaches also take more risks in these games, riskier plays can lead to quickly getting the game out of hand if they whiff.
I think thats why top rank matchups in playoffs are more often blowouts than vs regular season, where there is also an incentive to not risk player health if up several scores, or to try and chew clock/keep game close if getting blown out
Seems the spotlight shines too bright for some of the 2/3* guys who outplayed their rankings, which should be considered by the committee in future rankings. SMU and IU QBs both probably played the worst games of their season respectively, and it wasn't purely not being used to playing defenses that good, they made some awful decision making. They clearly didnt have the mental make up for games that big
I think thats why top rank matchups in playoffs are more often blowouts than vs regular season, where there is also an incentive to not risk player health if up several scores, or to try and chew clock/keep game close if getting blown out
Seems the spotlight shines too bright for some of the 2/3* guys who outplayed their rankings, which should be considered by the committee in future rankings. SMU and IU QBs both probably played the worst games of their season respectively, and it wasn't purely not being used to playing defenses that good, they made some awful decision making. They clearly didnt have the mental make up for games that big
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:54 pm to Govt Tide
Screw all of this playoff shite! Let's return to the MNC and we can argue about what team would have beat another team, had they played. Amateur sports were far more entertaining than modern CF.
The NFL, at least has salary caps and players can't just leave because their vaginas aren't being massaged enough.
The NFL, at least has salary caps and players can't just leave because their vaginas aren't being massaged enough.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:23 pm to WaterLink
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Let's wait until the semifinals, when there's 4 teams left, and compare that round to the 4 team playoff.
Let's wait until we trim it back down to 4 teams, then it will look more like the 4 team playoff.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:18 pm to Govt Tide
Yes but now the controversy is pushed all the way down to between 1 loss teams with very weak schedules or 3 loss SEC teams. Teams who would have NEVER been considered deserving of a National Championship throughout the ENTIRE PREVIOUS HISTORY of college football.
So the controversy about who should be the 11 and 12 seed DOESN’T MATTER in the grand scheme of things. That is the beauty of the new expanded playoff.
So QUIT CRYING about your 3 loss teams being left out. It does not matter
So the controversy about who should be the 11 and 12 seed DOESN’T MATTER in the grand scheme of things. That is the beauty of the new expanded playoff.
So QUIT CRYING about your 3 loss teams being left out. It does not matter
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:43 pm to skrayper
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I think folks got spoiled on the Alabama/Clemson and Alabama/Georgia match-ups. 2015 Alabama 45 vs Clemson 40 2016 Clemson 35 vs Alabama 31 2017 Alabama 26 vs Georgia 23 (OT)
Those were all championship games (final), not the semifinals.
The only two really good CFP semifinals I can recall were 2017 UGA vs Oklahoma and 2021 UGA versus Ohio State. Both of those games were “Instant Classics”.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:54 pm to Lgrnwd
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Average final score of all semi final games in all the past 4 team playoffsby Lgrnwd40-21.
You understand that this is an argument AGAINST a 12 team playoff……..right?
If it’s that uncompetitive in a 4 team playoff then why go out to 12?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:55 pm to Lgrnwd
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But “muh the new playoffs suck!” Is it really a shocker that adding a bunch of even lower ranked teams to the playoffs would result in even more blowouts. It’s the nature of college football. It is not a high parity sport. Get over it
Man this shite is a litmus test for IQ, I swear to God.
It’s not the scores. It’s not the blowouts. It’s the quality of run down shite football we are forced to watch solely for people pocketing money. That’s it.
You’re a fricking moron and explaining the fact that you’re a pig eating slop out of trough for your masters benefit is clearly wasted on you. Enjoy the playoffs and let me know how good the slop tastes
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