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Joe C!
Posted on 10/19/24 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 10/19/24 at 1:28 pm
Joe Castiglione and everyone associated with Bob stoops era need to be fired!! This is an embarrassment!
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 6:46 am to SoonerTime73
In 1998, Joe cleaned up the fiasco created by the “keep it in the family” mentality by hiring an analyst to find a replacement for John Blake. The analyst identified his clear top candidate: Bob Stoops.
In 2021, Joe Castiglione spent no time deciding to keep it in the family, after the “keep it in the family” promotion of Riley. There was no HC search. "Safe hire!"
Fast forward to today: it’s the John Blake era all over again. We got run-ruled by South Carolina, at home.
Combine this fiasco with the state of the men’s BB program for going on 14 years: it’s clear he doesn’t learn from mistakes and needs to go.
In 2021, Joe Castiglione spent no time deciding to keep it in the family, after the “keep it in the family” promotion of Riley. There was no HC search. "Safe hire!"
Fast forward to today: it’s the John Blake era all over again. We got run-ruled by South Carolina, at home.
Combine this fiasco with the state of the men’s BB program for going on 14 years: it’s clear he doesn’t learn from mistakes and needs to go.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:56 am to Naked Bootleg
We are overreacting. Our football team has talent. I agree that Seth was the wrong hire he was already on staff and I guess they thought he’d make Jackson work out since they knew each other last year when Seth was an analyst.
My issue is not firing Seth after all the evidence. He is destroying OU and this can’t be waited on to end of season. If we wait then we might lose recruits and have a big portal out. Players and recruits need to see we have some type of vision.
I think HC’s like to wait to fire either OC or DC in general - because it leaves them an out later. If he fires IC now it then removes the safety valve between HC and firing.
As for Joe, he hit on Women's BB coach. And I think Porter Moser is a good hire pit in a tough situation like Brent was.
Our defense was super bad and cost us titles. Its harder ti rebuild defense than offense. If we bring in someone for OC they can tuen it around faster. So I’m torn on BV. He has failed on offense and his game management did cost us games the prior 2 years. He brought in a good DC who seems to be calling all D plays.
But Brent has a glaring problem on offense. He is quickly losing support and needs to understand things move faster nowadays with so much social media presence. You can’t hide things like years past. And I don’t know if he understands this.
I want him to succeed so bad based on how he left last time. Whats ironic is it was family issues that chased Brent away when Bob brought back Mike.
Our program was gutted by Riley. As people are seeing at USC, he is a one trick pony. Brent walked into that. Did fine building D but when Lebby left he took what appeared to be the safe route instead of a search. And now when he needs to fire Seth he is not.
My issue is not firing Seth after all the evidence. He is destroying OU and this can’t be waited on to end of season. If we wait then we might lose recruits and have a big portal out. Players and recruits need to see we have some type of vision.
I think HC’s like to wait to fire either OC or DC in general - because it leaves them an out later. If he fires IC now it then removes the safety valve between HC and firing.
As for Joe, he hit on Women's BB coach. And I think Porter Moser is a good hire pit in a tough situation like Brent was.
Our defense was super bad and cost us titles. Its harder ti rebuild defense than offense. If we bring in someone for OC they can tuen it around faster. So I’m torn on BV. He has failed on offense and his game management did cost us games the prior 2 years. He brought in a good DC who seems to be calling all D plays.
But Brent has a glaring problem on offense. He is quickly losing support and needs to understand things move faster nowadays with so much social media presence. You can’t hide things like years past. And I don’t know if he understands this.
I want him to succeed so bad based on how he left last time. Whats ironic is it was family issues that chased Brent away when Bob brought back Mike.
Our program was gutted by Riley. As people are seeing at USC, he is a one trick pony. Brent walked into that. Did fine building D but when Lebby left he took what appeared to be the safe route instead of a search. And now when he needs to fire Seth he is not.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:07 pm to OU Guy
Joe C needs to go! He’s the AD so he is just as responsible for this mess as anyone! I especially have no confidence in him since he thought it was okay to have his son on the football team years back. He was allowed to be on the field and handle the ball as a RB/FB and have one of the worst fumbles in history! That tells me the OU Football program does not come first, second and third in his mind! It’s just a money maker that he can use for other agendas like softball! A softball coach should not be making $2M per year!! We are not and should not be a Softball school!!
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:16 pm to OU Guy
Agree to disagree, yes Baranczyk appears to be a good hire. Moser is a square peg in a round hole. And he went straight to Brent when LR left.
Brent’s in year 3. It took him 2 seasons to realize he needed a DC. The Littrell promotion is inexcusable. He sat there and watched Littrell throw MH to the wolves with all things considered, the dumbest game plan I’ve ever seen. He clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing. Watch, it will take another 2 years for him to realize OU needs a QB coach.
I didn’t like the BV hire then, and I don’t like it now. He is a long-term project, and the timing for such a project could not have been worse. Very short-sighted hire IMO
Brent’s in year 3. It took him 2 seasons to realize he needed a DC. The Littrell promotion is inexcusable. He sat there and watched Littrell throw MH to the wolves with all things considered, the dumbest game plan I’ve ever seen. He clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing. Watch, it will take another 2 years for him to realize OU needs a QB coach.
I didn’t like the BV hire then, and I don’t like it now. He is a long-term project, and the timing for such a project could not have been worse. Very short-sighted hire IMO
Posted on 10/20/24 at 6:48 pm to Naked Bootleg
Well, Brent just fired Seth and gave us a QB coach too. Kevin Johns will coach QB and have a significant role in offense
Lets see if we can at least improve and show recruits we’re not sitting idle.
I don’t like JJF as even interim OC, he keeps failing upwards.
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I don’t like JJF as even interim OC, he keeps failing upwards.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:43 pm to OU Guy
Exactly! JJF and BB need to be let go as well.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:54 pm to Naked Bootleg
Here’s a post to give you some food for thought. Posting his tweet so this is his info not mine:
Major General Grumpy Dool
@PCSoonersFan
Yall with this "Fire Brent" mentality...cmere, sit down. I'm gonna tell you a small tale.
Did you know OU has had multiple seasons of 5+ or more losses? We didnt fire a coach because of it...we maintained the trust and support.
But regardless...
First, do you know that from 1905-1950, OU didnt win a single Natty?
First one was 1950 with Bud Wilkinson. He coached for 3 years before his 4th brought him a natty...and 1955, 1956...all Nattys. Would never have been there if we fired him after losing 2 games. It's just 2 games, right? I digress...
Moving on..
Barry's first year here was 1973, we went 10-0 and didnt win a natty. But you know what we did do?
Win one in 74 and 75....and then went 10 years without. Barry had multiple 4 loss seasons...we never fired him. We stayed the course.
In 1999, we hired Bob Stoops. Lost 5 games and yall wanted him gone. Remember that? Then what happened?
2000. The absolute best season of this century.
If you take into account all the games between 2024 and 1905, BV's current season would only rank him the 25th worst season...ever. Nowhere near John Blake.. Nowhere near Gomer Jones..even Buds worst seasons.
Did you also know that Bennie Owen was once one of the worst coaches OU ever had? 1924...Imagine the world today had OU fired Bennie long before. He's one of the greats now.
Point is...trust the process or find a new team. Changes will happen, but most of us TRUE OU fans are behind BV 100% and have patience.
The rest of you are gonna lose sleep.
Ive attached my spreadsheet for OU's worst coaches and worst seasons...I went back futher but this will give you an idea of where we are.
Trust the process.
Trust Joe C...and Trust Brent Venables.
Dont turn your back on a team when it's down.
And stop with this nonsense of firing BV.
Your instant gratification is disgusting
Major General Grumpy Dool
@PCSoonersFan
Yall with this "Fire Brent" mentality...cmere, sit down. I'm gonna tell you a small tale.
Did you know OU has had multiple seasons of 5+ or more losses? We didnt fire a coach because of it...we maintained the trust and support.
But regardless...
First, do you know that from 1905-1950, OU didnt win a single Natty?
First one was 1950 with Bud Wilkinson. He coached for 3 years before his 4th brought him a natty...and 1955, 1956...all Nattys. Would never have been there if we fired him after losing 2 games. It's just 2 games, right? I digress...
Moving on..
Barry's first year here was 1973, we went 10-0 and didnt win a natty. But you know what we did do?
Win one in 74 and 75....and then went 10 years without. Barry had multiple 4 loss seasons...we never fired him. We stayed the course.
In 1999, we hired Bob Stoops. Lost 5 games and yall wanted him gone. Remember that? Then what happened?
2000. The absolute best season of this century.
If you take into account all the games between 2024 and 1905, BV's current season would only rank him the 25th worst season...ever. Nowhere near John Blake.. Nowhere near Gomer Jones..even Buds worst seasons.
Did you also know that Bennie Owen was once one of the worst coaches OU ever had? 1924...Imagine the world today had OU fired Bennie long before. He's one of the greats now.
Point is...trust the process or find a new team. Changes will happen, but most of us TRUE OU fans are behind BV 100% and have patience.
The rest of you are gonna lose sleep.
Ive attached my spreadsheet for OU's worst coaches and worst seasons...I went back futher but this will give you an idea of where we are.
Trust the process.
Trust Joe C...and Trust Brent Venables.
Dont turn your back on a team when it's down.
And stop with this nonsense of firing BV.
Your instant gratification is disgusting
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:11 am to OU Guy
I appreciate it. I'm not saying "Fire Brent" yet, but numbers don't always tell the whole story.
But I stand corrected on the "2 more years until Brent hires an actual QB coach"
But I stand corrected on the "2 more years until Brent hires an actual QB coach"
Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:00 am to Naked Bootleg
Its all good, thats what boards are for to allow us fans to be open and talk about the team. There are no right or wrong posts only opinions.
Brent has made mistakes. And will make more. Priority one was to fix the D. It had been broken for mostly over 10 years. We had some of the best offenses in college football history and still never won a title with them.
So he came in and made that a priority. He hired Lebby and let hum run O and that worked until Lebby left. His mistake was making a safe hire in Seth, while he also made a great DC hire in Zac. He has not been as game focused as needed either, but thats changing too.
I read a post from an OU fan who was at game Sat. And they said BV was so involved he even sat down with Jackson and was going over stuff on an ipad with him. We won’t see that on the telecast but it shows he is now invested in the team not just defense.
As he did with the D, I want to give him time to do same with O. He did wait too long yet he did not wait til end of season to fire Seth - and after 7 games of his tenure. Thats a huge improvement over what LiaR did regarding Mike, keeping him too long. So BV was quick to fix his hiring mistake. That had to be hard to do so, firing a Sooner legacy coach.
Brent has made mistakes. And will make more. Priority one was to fix the D. It had been broken for mostly over 10 years. We had some of the best offenses in college football history and still never won a title with them.
So he came in and made that a priority. He hired Lebby and let hum run O and that worked until Lebby left. His mistake was making a safe hire in Seth, while he also made a great DC hire in Zac. He has not been as game focused as needed either, but thats changing too.
I read a post from an OU fan who was at game Sat. And they said BV was so involved he even sat down with Jackson and was going over stuff on an ipad with him. We won’t see that on the telecast but it shows he is now invested in the team not just defense.
As he did with the D, I want to give him time to do same with O. He did wait too long yet he did not wait til end of season to fire Seth - and after 7 games of his tenure. Thats a huge improvement over what LiaR did regarding Mike, keeping him too long. So BV was quick to fix his hiring mistake. That had to be hard to do so, firing a Sooner legacy coach.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:20 am to OU Guy
You can bet it WAS hard for him, but in my opinion it had to be done.
It's still sad, however, to see the starting FB on OU's last national championship team fall so quickly.
It's still sad, however, to see the starting FB on OU's last national championship team fall so quickly.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 11:33 am to OU Guy
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Our program was gutted by Riley. As people are seeing at USC, he is a one trick pony. Brent walked into that.
I'm tired of hearing this...
Riley didn't "gut" the program... The innards he left was the remnants of an11-2 team sans a QB/a couple of guys who went to the NFL early.
To his credit, BV and Lebby struck gold with Gabriel... so we dodged that bullet.
Simply put, the situation Brent inherited was a program that was slipping... but not "gutted"...
The OU situation was nowhere near as bad as the situation that say a Jedd Fisch inherited at Arizona... Or Deboer had at Washington or Brett Bulemia had at Illinois, or certainly not Cignetti at Indiana.
And no matter how bad it was then... it is even worse now in terms of the product on the field.
The defense is better but isn't great... and the offense is abysmal.
And also, that tweet you posted. That guy is full of crap. Completely clueless about what really happened in OU history. Rather than dissect all the bs crap he said in that tweet... I'll just give one example...NOBODY... and I mean NOBODY... wanted Bob Stoops fired after the 1999 season.
That being said I don't disagree that Brent should be allowed year four.
As for Joe C? A whole bunch other ADs would have probably hired Brent Venables in 2022 given the options they had that year.
Brent did not recognize some identifiable long term roster management issues that have bit him in the behind... and the decision to allow Gabriel to leave is going to turn out to look foolish in retrospect...
We just don't know if the bite he took was lethal or not.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:00 pm to Gunga Din
I disagree on LiaR. His D was bad. Then he took the good parts of O.
As for the guy who posted all that data, I agree some of it has holes taken out of context. I think his main point remains that people wanting Brent fired are too quick.
I think the answer lies in the middle.
Brent has made some mistakes. What we on the outside don’t know may have contributed. Lets take a look at Jackson Arnold.
He was the top 23 qb, and everyone including me thought he was ready. DG also left on his own due to Lebby leaving and not wanting to interfere with Jackson and caught up in that. He was not pushed out.
Getting past that, you now have to hire an OC. Seth was an analyst already in staff. He had worked up a good relationship with both JA and MH. BV likely thought by promoting Seth it would retain the QB talent he had, whereas if he went external he might lose one or both qbs. We have to look at things through the lens of at the time not after the fact.
But early on it was evident Seth was not cut out for this. But after 7 games BV fired Seth which is not easy given the health of the O. Yet he did it so I give credit to Brent for doing so.
I read a generic public note from an insider that OU reached out to O recruits and they are good with their commitment and how proactive OU is being for the long term. If this is true then we can still right the ship if we make the right OC hire. At least we aren’t seeing decoms yet. I do think we might lose some but time will tell.
As for the guy who posted all that data, I agree some of it has holes taken out of context. I think his main point remains that people wanting Brent fired are too quick.
I think the answer lies in the middle.
Brent has made some mistakes. What we on the outside don’t know may have contributed. Lets take a look at Jackson Arnold.
He was the top 23 qb, and everyone including me thought he was ready. DG also left on his own due to Lebby leaving and not wanting to interfere with Jackson and caught up in that. He was not pushed out.
Getting past that, you now have to hire an OC. Seth was an analyst already in staff. He had worked up a good relationship with both JA and MH. BV likely thought by promoting Seth it would retain the QB talent he had, whereas if he went external he might lose one or both qbs. We have to look at things through the lens of at the time not after the fact.
But early on it was evident Seth was not cut out for this. But after 7 games BV fired Seth which is not easy given the health of the O. Yet he did it so I give credit to Brent for doing so.
I read a generic public note from an insider that OU reached out to O recruits and they are good with their commitment and how proactive OU is being for the long term. If this is true then we can still right the ship if we make the right OC hire. At least we aren’t seeing decoms yet. I do think we might lose some but time will tell.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 12:02 pm
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