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re: The NCAA should allow pay for play

Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:45 am to
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
13530 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:45 am to
I only agree with paying athletes for bowl games only. The fans are done a real disservice when players don’t give a shite about their bowl games. Give the players leaving early for the NFL some incentive to play their last game. Maybe a little motivation for the rest of the team.
Posted by DonaldDuckworth
Florida
Member since Jul 2017
1508 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:47 am to
The VAST majority of football programs lose money already...and nearly every single other sport does too...so what happens when you have to pay ALL of the athletes in every sport regardless of gender, because that is EXACTLY what would happen. One of 2 things, tuition would explode or college athletics would be dropped altogether. Students that could have had a phenomenal experience and gone to school for free, instead of graduating with $100k in debt...now will just be like every other student...and this will apply to 95%+ of potential student-athletes. So who have you helped with this poorly considered nonsense? Only the most elite of elite athletes...and there would be a mass consolidation of them at the schools that could afford it. So the people that need the help the least, getting the help the most, on the shoulders of everyone else.

This is beyond asinine.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
60230 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:51 am to
Football would die. Schools would start dropping it like flies. Smaller schools could not afford to pay players of all the sports.
Posted by Broadside Bob
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2012
1280 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:51 am to
As someone else posted, Title XI. And it's not just women athletes you'd need to pay, what about the cross country team, the golf team, the baseball team? These athletes may work just as hard, or harder than the football players.

Different sports generate different levels of revenue for each school. In the SEC, football obviously rules, but Duke may make as much or more on basketball. At Oregon, track is probably a revenue generating and profitable sport.

How are you going to come up with the money to pay the athletes? Sure football and basketball generate A LOT of money, but it's already spoken for. Who's willing to give up their or reduce their share? That's right, no one so the cost of broadcasting and attending games just went up.

While the $40K might be fair to pay the "average" athlete, there's no way you could pay a Trevor Lawrence, Jake Fromm, Mark Ingram, or even a Manti Te'o or JFF anything close to what their "worth." What about the kid who comes out of high school as a pretty average athlete and then blossoms in college? Does he renegotiate his deal every year?

They're already getting compensation in the form of a free education and coaching so they can make it to the next level (assuming the talent and work ethic is there).

It's not a perfect system now, but few things are, and it's a lot less broken than some would have you believe.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
64262 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:54 am to
I don’t know what title XI is.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
56786 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:02 am to
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A compromise would be to pay players a reasonable amount of money


This still monitizes played who can be exploited by lawyers, agents, baby mommas, and gamblers.

Better way...

NCAA pay all medical via national insurance policies
Kids get education and exposure (worth 100K to 200K)
Trust fund is set up to provide small "safety net" after kids have graduated



To have a reasonable discussion than the simple idea of paying player you have to set up a system that protects them long term from the remoras who will exist when money is available to 18 year old kids.
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:02 am to
Yeah. I wonder if this happened, if the first Go Fund Me for getting a new qb for Auburn or something happens in minutes.

But to play along, let's say this happened. (And the whole system doesn't implode).

What does that system look like on the field across college football (and all sports) after a few years?

Don't think I'd like it. But it might be interesting if some schools tried a different approach, a la moneyball.

Offhand, as a prediction, I think you might see a big discrepancy in what schools spend on offensive talent as opposed to defensive. Which will be noticed by High School players.

No more commitment of any sort by the schools. You don't produce from Day One and you are gone. Actually if you show up, and you kinda suck compared to what your HS game film showed and you are gone.

And if you are spending money on these kids, how much tolerance will be had for someone who just needs to get his head on straight?

In the end you have to evaluate whether the funds tied up in this kid are worth it, as opposed to cutting your losses and moving on to the next prospect.

Then we have the prospect of "Free Agency" and plucking a kid from another team if he has shown he can produce.
Posted by hogsnbeer
Conway
Member since Aug 2018
30 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:04 am to
I don’t think most of you here have actually read the law that Cali is passing, it has nothing to do with the schools paying the players, all it allows for is a player to make money on their appearance/likeness (YouTube, guest appearance, insta, autographs and ect..) the money paid will come from whatever business that employees the player

Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24462 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:07 am to
quote:

I don’t think most of you here have actually read the law that Cali is passing, it has nothing to do with the schools paying the players, all it allows for is a player to make money on their appearance/likeness (YouTube, guest appearance, insta, autographs and ect..) the money paid will come from whatever business that employees the player


So it invalidates any rules pertaining to recruitment or extra benefits? That ought to work out well. Might as well hold auctions for players.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
69315 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:08 am to
The problem is there is no way the NCAA can regulate this, it's just going to create even more of an imbalance across the sports. Can you imagine the Ohio States and Alabamas paying of players vs. even very good mid-majors like Boise State? If people think the sport is pretty imbalanced right now, paying the players is going to make it way, way worse.
Posted by Pvt Hudson
Member since Jan 2013
3928 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:09 am to
Stop this bullshite. They are getting “paid”. I just dropped $100k for tuition, room and board for a 4-year degree for my daughter (no pics) who graduated summa cum laud from high school, with honors from college and now works with autistic children.

These players are getting a free ride if they can cover a slot receiver.

If they aren’t making the most of this opportunity, it’s on them. They are welcome to quit school and make their bank on their skill set.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
26620 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:11 am to
NM (Wrong thread)
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 7:12 am
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
19498 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:11 am to
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Most schools lose money on athletics already. You would effectively be killing college sports

This.

Outside, of the top 35 teams in CFB. Revenue and expenses get really close and start to turn upside down. What marginal profit they do make is redistributed to other Title IX and low earning sports/programs.

Where would the pay come from, as you would have to raise revenue elsewhere to make up the losses to the existing structures. Ticket prices, concessions, trademark/merchandise fees and costs, tv contracts and PPV, college student "athletic fees" and tuition, coaching and staff quality, facilities, current student athlete services are all automatically affected by paying players.

It would kill college athletics as it is. But, maybe an emergence of the Big 3 + girls BB and softball (and equestrian of course) works for all, and there may be a way forward in the discussion.

But, the second and third order effects should give a reason to take pause. There is a reason that college athletics were regulated, afterall. It isn't and shouldn't be a free market. But, that is the fun of not learning from our past.

At some point, we need to stop conflating student-athletes with semi-pro players. As mentioned above by Straws, it isn't like they are not being compensated.

I'd much rather see provisions to guarantee graduating players a portion of revenue based on their contributions to the program and merchandise sold. It would incentivize education, and be scalable across all sports, distributed equally on the basis of revenue the sport earns. So, a football player may get 50k as he leaves school and a female lacrosse player 125 bucks. Much more fair.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:12 am to
Athletes who are paid would be forced to pay taxes on those earnings - they would lose amateur status. You would need to find a way to separate the men's football and basketball part of the athletic department from other sports. I don't think Title IX would be as big of a deal as others are saying.

I think for a significant segment of alumni, it would kill interest in college football. I would find other things to spend my time on. That would also impact the level of interest in the NFL as well, which is dealing with its own crisis right now with CTE.

Its ironic that socialist California is coming up with a market solution that will in the short term help athletes get paid and in the long term kill the sport as we know it.
Posted by kmdawg17
'Murica
Member since Sep 2015
1525 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:14 am to
I think that paying players is the wrong angle. Many folks don't realize how the football and basketball revenue is used to fund the other sporting programs for those schools. Paying players just isn't feasible.

Now, allowing players to make money off of their likeness is a completely different, and more reasonable option. If a college player can sign a shirt and make $500...let him.
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:14 am to
With Title IX things get a big problematic.

I can see a world where Men's Golf, Wrestling, Baseball, Men's Tennis are all cut because they suck money - whereas Women's sports are preserved. The ones that lose the least money, that is?
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:17 am to
quote:

I think that paying players is the wrong angle. Many folks don't realize how the football and basketball revenue is used to fund the other sporting programs for those schools. Paying players just isn't feasible.

Now, allowing players to make money off of their likeness is a completely different, and more reasonable option. If a college player can sign a shirt and make $500...let him.


Its a distinction without a difference...
"Mr. star recruit, if you come here we have alumni that will pledge $500k to purchase your merchandise and will provide you will all of the profits."
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
19498 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:20 am to
quote:

With Title IX things get a big problematic.

I can see a world where Men's Golf, Wrestling, Baseball, Men's Tennis are all cut because they suck money - whereas Women's sports are preserved. The ones that lose the least money, that is?


Even if it were abolished, the effort to pay players would force roster cuts to find what is sustainable for smaller revenue producing schools. We'd get more divisions to balance it out, which might not be bad. But, certainly fewer scholarship players across football and all sports would be in the works, which seems counterproductive to the spirit of helping the poor student-athlete initiative and fair wage cause
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:21 am to
quote:

The VAST majority of football programs lose money already...and nearly every single other sport does too...so what happens when you have to pay ALL of the athletes in every sport regardless of gender, because that is EXACTLY what would happen.


You would not pay them the same. Just by allowing them to profit off of their likeness you would create a "fair" way for them to profit that separates women's soccer from men's football.

The reality is that athletic departments put crazy money into coaches salaries and building campaigns instead of paying players. They are a non-profit essentially, so by definition they need to show they are spending all of their money. What would happen is that coaches salaries would fall and athletic departments would get cut and building campaigns would get slashed. That probably wouldn't be a bad thing.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17884 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:39 am to
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How are you going to pay all the other athletes?


You don't. You tell them as soon as they get ratings on ESPN and sell-out 100,000 person stadiums, they can get paid too.
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