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Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:16 pm to Stonehog
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Do you think the Civil War was started over slavery?
Why or why not?
No ... and frick no.
This debate never goes anywhere.
But no, it was not started over slavery. Period. That's the simple fact of the matter and anyone who tries to argue otherwise is a fricktard.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:16 pm to PikeBishop
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Check out this speech by Confederate statesman and Vice President Alexander Stephens. Called The Cornerstone Speech, he is pretty up front about slavery's central role in the Confederacy.
Rather interesting read:
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allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.
In the conflict thus far, success has been on our side, complete throughout the length and breadth of the Confederate States. It is upon this, as I have stated, our social fabric is firmly planted; and I cannot permit myself to doubt the ultimate success of a full recognition of this principle throughout the civilized and enlightened world.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:18 pm to scrooster
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But no, it was not started over slavery. Period. That's the simple fact of the matter and anyone who tries to argue otherwise is a fricktard.
Such a convincing argument.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:19 pm to Stonehog
The South wanted to be fat, poor, and stupid and the North tried to save them from themselves. Unfortunately, most would say the South won this civil war.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:24 pm to scrooster
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But no, it was not started over slavery. Period. That's the simple fact of the matter and anyone who tries to argue otherwise is a fricktard.
It doesn't surprise anyone that you think this.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It doesn't surprise anyone that you think this.
Not in the least.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:28 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Here is how the Brits handled ending slavery on a more peaceful note...
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The Act provided for compensation for slave-owners who would be losing their property. The amount of money to be spent on the compensation claims was set at "the Sum of Twenty Millions Pounds Sterling".[12] Under the terms of the Act, the British government raised £20 million (£69.93 billion in 2013 pounds)[13] to pay out in compensation for the loss of the slaves as business assets to the registered owners of the freed slaves.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:30 pm to Stonehog
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The reason their economy was profitable was due to slave labor.
Well slavery made it more profitable, but without slavery it still would have been profitable. Farming has always been a very profitable business in the South due to rich soil and easy access to irrigation.
But to answer your OP, yes slavery was a major factor of the war. Many southern states started to feel pressure from the North on the issue and knew if they didn't secede that it would eventually be abolished within a decade or two. The war probably sped up the abolishment of slavery.
Slavery wasn't the only issue. The South's economy was being controlled by the North and Northern industries were getting massive tax breaks while heavy tariffs were being put on southern agriculture exports. It was a conglomeration of issues that led to the hatred between the 2 but the ever growing pressure on slavery was probably the tipping point.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:31 pm to stevengtiger
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To sum it up, it was about money
It's always about money. Everything is about money...if you want to find the real reason that anything in history happened, no matter what you're told by history books or the media, just follow the money and you'll find the truth.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:32 pm to deltaland
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It's always about money. Everything is about money...if you want to find the real reason that anything in history happened, no matter what you're told by history books or the media, just follow the money and you'll find the truth.
This is the damn truth.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:34 pm to stevengtiger
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To sum it up, it was about money not skin color.
It's a common misconception that the North cared about the slaves themselves. Abolitionists were the only anti-slavery people who opposed it for moral reasons. Many Northern anti-slavery proponents were against slavery because they were white supremacists. They didn't want Africans in America and they feared if slavery was allowed in Western territories that Mexicans would be used as slaves.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:34 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right.
Thank you. It's amazing how few people are familiar with this speech by the Vice-President of the CONFEDERACY ... and his analysis of the cause of the rupture between the states could NOT BE CLEARER.
God God, it's there in the simplest, most direct English one could imagine.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:37 pm to Stonehog
The war was about States' Rights, namely the right of states to support slavery.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:38 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Check out this speech by Confederate statesman and Vice President Alexander Stephens. Called The Cornerstone Speech, he is pretty up front about slavery's central role in the Confederacy.
He all but says, "Slavery is the cause of the rupture between the states ... and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fricktard."
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:41 pm to Tigerwaffe
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God God, it's there in the simplest, most direct English one could imagine.
Well, let's cut folks today a bit of a break. Compared to twitterspeak, his speech was some serious peroration
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:43 pm to Tigerwaffe
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God God, it's there in the simplest, most direct English one could imagine.
I would imagine 75% of this board could not comprehend the English in which he used in that speech
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:43 pm to deltaland
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It's always about money or pussy.
FIFY
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:44 pm to Stonehog
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Such a convincing argument
It's not an argument I am going to have when some of you are know-it-all little snot nosed bitches who have been brainwashed to believe what you were taught in modern day far leftist liberal progressive revisionist history so-called institutions of higher learning.
The fricking yankees were taxing us to death and had been for fifty years. The South practically single-handedly funded the digging of the Erie Canal and that was the spark that set everything in motion that would eventually lead to the War of Northern Aggression.
Not ironically, although typical of yankee fricks then and now ... is the hypocrisy in claiming it was all about the "negro slave" when, in fact, it was the so-called "negro slave" that dug the Erie Canal and died by the hundreds (estimated over 800 black men died building Clinton's Ditch) in the process.
So Southerners were rightly pissed that they were being taxed out of their asses, while having a "slavery finger" pointed at them, all the while their tax dollars were funding the Erie Canal and black men were put under the whip digging the canal.
In the meantime very few Southeners were slave owners and many who were treated their charges with great dignity and respect. Many blacks took the names of the Southerners for whom they worked, many were taught in schools funded by their employers, and many worshiped in churches built by their employers ... AND many fought for the South.
Did some really bad shite go-on back then? Absolutely. Hell yes. Bad shite still goes on, on both sides. But was that war started over slavery ... frick no. Absolutely not. Yes, buy the time we fired on Fort Sumter it was the main streams media's mantra, especially up north ... but it was, by no means, our main point of contention down here - not according to the journals and diaries passed down in my family along, with many newspaper clippings.
What so many of you believe today is just revisionist history bullshite.
When I was a boy I had great grandparents still living who lived through the reconstruction, were children of the post war.
My last name is one of the most common last names among African Americans to this day ... Shelby Foote wrote about my family in one of his books and how the African-Americans, 500+ of them, who worked for my forefathers took the name out of honor and pride.
frick you little snot nosed prick liberal bitches. Learn to actually recognize and research the truth for yourselves ... don't fall for the bullshite in your lives. One day I pray to God y'all learn what a bunch of sheep you've all become to the politically correct bullshite.
History is what it is - it ain't perfect. Times were different. But slavery was dead before the shots were ever fired at Fort Sumter and everyone knew it.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:45 pm to Stonehog
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They didn't want Africans in America and they feared if slavery was allowed in Western territories that Mexicans would be used as slaves
And westerners had already tried forcing native americans into the role, but they weren't hardy enough (from an immune system standpoint).
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