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re: Does Missouri have the staying power?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 8:45 am to Scoreboard
Posted on 2/11/15 at 8:45 am to Scoreboard
Pinkel deserves some credit, he knows how to pull of wins.
But I am going to try and quantify how Missouri has had some lucky "advantages" the past two years when they've won the East. The East hasn't been it's strongest, but I don't buy that it is abnormally down, just somewhere around average to a bit below average.
These are more of the reasons why Missouri has been able to win the East.
2013 -
Missouri's West opponents record - 14-10
USC's West opponents record - 9-15
UGA's West opponents record - 22-3
TN's West opponents record - 23-2
UF's West opponents record - 14-10
USC finished #2 in East and really should have won it. They had the easiest West road and blew a game against TN. Missouri had advantage of playing 2nd best East team at home as well. Missouri caught UGA the week after they had been decimated by injuries in an intense games against LSU and TN. Missouri had just played ARK St and Vandy. They also had UF and TN at home. Missouri was probably at best the 3rd best team in the East that year and because of scheduling "luck" they were able to win it. Kudos to them.
2014
Missouri's W opponents - 13-11
Georgia's W opponents - 14-10
Tennessee's W opponents - 21-4
Florida's W opponents - 20-5
USC's W opponents - 15-9
Second year in a row they've had the second easiest W schedule. They also got the second best East team at home again. They played UGA the week after Gurley was suspended. They played TN the week AJ Johnson was suspended. I give them props for pulling off the UF and USC wins because they really started both of those teams slides. But once again they were at best the second best team in the East but due to another team sharting themselves and their advantages in the schedule they were able to win it.
But I am going to try and quantify how Missouri has had some lucky "advantages" the past two years when they've won the East. The East hasn't been it's strongest, but I don't buy that it is abnormally down, just somewhere around average to a bit below average.
These are more of the reasons why Missouri has been able to win the East.
2013 -
Missouri's West opponents record - 14-10
USC's West opponents record - 9-15
UGA's West opponents record - 22-3
TN's West opponents record - 23-2
UF's West opponents record - 14-10
USC finished #2 in East and really should have won it. They had the easiest West road and blew a game against TN. Missouri had advantage of playing 2nd best East team at home as well. Missouri caught UGA the week after they had been decimated by injuries in an intense games against LSU and TN. Missouri had just played ARK St and Vandy. They also had UF and TN at home. Missouri was probably at best the 3rd best team in the East that year and because of scheduling "luck" they were able to win it. Kudos to them.
2014
Missouri's W opponents - 13-11
Georgia's W opponents - 14-10
Tennessee's W opponents - 21-4
Florida's W opponents - 20-5
USC's W opponents - 15-9
Second year in a row they've had the second easiest W schedule. They also got the second best East team at home again. They played UGA the week after Gurley was suspended. They played TN the week AJ Johnson was suspended. I give them props for pulling off the UF and USC wins because they really started both of those teams slides. But once again they were at best the second best team in the East but due to another team sharting themselves and their advantages in the schedule they were able to win it.
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:00 am to Ericvol2096
Lol! Mizzou was the 3rd best team in the East in 13 huh?
Has there ever, in the history of this board, been this much consternation on whether a division winner was lucky or not? I'm guessing no. It's probably never even been brought up, and I guarantee had UT, UF or UGA won the division under the exact same circumstances it never would have been questioned.
The real issue is this. SEC fans have a very self centered view. Most refuse to admit any good football is played outside of the league. Furthermore, the Big 6 take it to a different level and no team outside their group could possibly be any good. If another team does happen to win...they were lucky, division was down, etc. almost physically incapable of giving another team credit for just being better. When Mizzou came into the league, despite some recent success, the above mentality led these fans to (inexplicably) believe they were adding another Vandy. Our first year in the league we were historically ravaged by injuries, had a poor year and it validated their thinking. Now, minds made up, there is just simply no way we are any good and the only possible explanation is pure luck. Some probably don't even realize they are doing it
Has there ever, in the history of this board, been this much consternation on whether a division winner was lucky or not? I'm guessing no. It's probably never even been brought up, and I guarantee had UT, UF or UGA won the division under the exact same circumstances it never would have been questioned.
The real issue is this. SEC fans have a very self centered view. Most refuse to admit any good football is played outside of the league. Furthermore, the Big 6 take it to a different level and no team outside their group could possibly be any good. If another team does happen to win...they were lucky, division was down, etc. almost physically incapable of giving another team credit for just being better. When Mizzou came into the league, despite some recent success, the above mentality led these fans to (inexplicably) believe they were adding another Vandy. Our first year in the league we were historically ravaged by injuries, had a poor year and it validated their thinking. Now, minds made up, there is just simply no way we are any good and the only possible explanation is pure luck. Some probably don't even realize they are doing it
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:06 am to Ericvol2096
I'll admit, we didn't face the strongest West teams the previous 2 seasons...but that is just the way it worked out. We went 4-0 against them in that time though.
Both years we have lost to the team who finished 2nd in the division. Even if they lost 1 against the west, they would have held the tiebreaker against us.
I see his point, but when it came down to it, we got the job done and SC and Georgia didnt.
Both years we have lost to the team who finished 2nd in the division. Even if they lost 1 against the west, they would have held the tiebreaker against us.
I see his point, but when it came down to it, we got the job done and SC and Georgia didnt.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:08 am to Ericvol2096
Will TN ever beat Mizzou in conf play?
Serious question
Serious question
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:08 am to Ericvol2096
quote:
Pinkel deserves some credit, he knows how to pull of wins.
But I am going to try and quantify how Missouri has had some lucky "advantages" the past two years when they've won the East. The East hasn't been it's strongest, but I don't buy that it is abnormally down, just somewhere around average to a bit below average.
These are more of the reasons why Missouri has been able to win the East.
2013 -
Missouri's West opponents record - 14-10 (Actually Ole Miss and A&M were 8-5 and 9-4 which adds up to 17-9 but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative)
USC's West opponents record - 9-15
UGA's West opponents record - 22-3 (actually 22-5)
TN's West opponents record - 23-2 (actually 23-5)
UF's West opponents record - 14-10
USC finished #2 in East and really should have won it. (except they lost more SEC games than Mizzou hence why they came in second, so they really should not have won it) They had the easiest West road and blew a game against TN. Missouri had advantage of playing 2nd best East team at home as well. Missouri caught UGA the week after they had been decimated by injuries (The game in which Mizzou's starting QB was injured and they won in Athens with a backup freshman) in an intense games against LSU and TN. Missouri had just played ARK St and Vandy. (they also beat They also had UF and TN at home. Missouri was probably at best the 3rd best team in the East that year and because of scheduling "luck" they were able to win it. Kudos to them.
2014
Missouri's W opponents - 13-11 (Actually 15-11)
Georgia's W opponents - 14-10
Tennessee's W opponents - 21-4 (Because teams like Tenn insist on the permanent opponent. You can't have your Alabama game but then complain about it as well)
Florida's W opponents - 20-5
USC's W opponents - 15-9
Second year in a row they've had the second easiest W schedule. They also got the second best East team at home again. They played UGA the week after Gurley was suspended. They played TN the week AJ Johnson was suspended. (We suspended our potential all-American/first round NFL draft pick for the season) I give them props for pulling off the UF and USC wins because they really started both of those teams slides. But once again they were at best the second best team in the East but due to another team sharting themselves and their advantages in the schedule they were able to win it.
Cleared it up a little. Didn't fact check all of the records as most of them seemed to be wrong.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 10:11 am
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