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re: The cost of Obamacare... supporters of it.. please feel free to chime in
Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:08 pm to the808bass
Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:08 pm to the808bass
Tell us moar oooooh 808
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:21 pm to Alahunter
The ACA is a shining moment for crony capitalism. The insurance companies are loving it... and the "anti corporation" left rammed it through congress.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:22 pm to MIZ_COU
Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:22 pm to AUCE05
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I'm neither a dem or repub, but I find it funny that conservatives have only cared about the screwed up healthcare system after a black guy tried to fix it.
Yep, that uppity negro should have known his place
Jesus Harold Christ, is that your only move? Can't respond with substance, so you beat the racist drum, over and over. It's so fricking old.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:43 am to antibarner
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And as far as cutting defense ,the Russians are in the process of invading Ukraine, not to mention the Chinese are building their armed forces at an ever increasing rate. I am not sure that is such a good idea.
We spend more on defense than the next 10 countries, COMBINED.
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I tire of the knee jerk response that somehow spending less will suddenly make us weak. Talk about MASSIVE OVERKILL.
I'd venture to say that the vast majority of that comes from corruption and waste (remember those toilet seats?)
But that's really another convo--back to healthcare.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:46 am to Grievous Angel
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Talk about MASSIVE OVERKILL.
You seem to be implying that massive overkill is a bad thing. I don't get it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:01 am to finestfirst79
The irony of Obamacare is that, essentially, it's crony capitalism passed by the side that spends so much time and effort demonizing such things. The insurance companies still cant believe what a sweet deal this is for them. Was this intentional on the part of the democrats? Probably not, at least not directly, but its turning into the very thing they claimed to hate.
Apart from that though, it's still a poorly conceived idea even in basic principle which drives up the total healthcare costs and decreases the average quality of care. The reality is that it is impossible to maintain the same level of care if everyone has access to healthcare. Much like our economy relies on some level of unemployment to function, the healthcare system relies on some people not having coverage purely from a resources standpoint (time, doctors, equipment, etc.)
Apart from that though, it's still a poorly conceived idea even in basic principle which drives up the total healthcare costs and decreases the average quality of care. The reality is that it is impossible to maintain the same level of care if everyone has access to healthcare. Much like our economy relies on some level of unemployment to function, the healthcare system relies on some people not having coverage purely from a resources standpoint (time, doctors, equipment, etc.)
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:34 am to the808bass
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Evar so much moar
and your point is?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:35 am to AUCE05
Makes note of auce05's racebaiting and bigoted view.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 8:55 am to CatFan81
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I don't support the ACA.
I don't really either. It's a mixed bag of good and bad, and it at least attempts to fix a broken system. I come across as defending it sometimes because I think some of the criticisms of it are off base and are dripping with hyperbole. It's such a wedge issue that it's hard to have an honest debate on it as generally speaking most people have their minds made up on it as either being the best thing ever or the worst thing ever. I mean just in this thread we spent a few pages arguing over the merits of mandating all health insurance plans cover maternity care. The horror!
Bottom line is it is here to stay. Even if Republicans gain control of the Senate later this year, they won't gain enough to override Obama's veto. Besides the way the law was written, it will be very difficult to completely undo, so bitching about it is pointless. I'd rather debate on ways to improve it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:01 am to MIZ_COU
That he doesn't have a clue how the healthcare system works.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:04 am to Roger Klarvin
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Apart from that though, it's still a poorly conceived idea even in basic principle which drives up the total healthcare costs and decreases the average quality of care.
#supply #demand
On a side note: one silly assumption that underpins the "insurance for all" argument is that people only use health insurance when they need it. They don't.
Another silly assumption is that preventive care is cheaper. It's only cheaper in targeted instances. In many cases, it actually drives up the cost of healthcare.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:07 am to the808bass
Maybe, but that clip doesn't show it, or anything really
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:13 am to MIZ_COU
The fact that you think that clip doesn't show it only shows you don't know how the system works, practically or logistically. A doctor diagnosing a sore throat doesn't say "I get paid more to do a tonsillectomy." They say "this kid needs a tonsillectomy let me refer him to a pediatric OTO." There's no additional money in it for the referring doctor. And practically, the insurance company would require documentation that a tonsillectomy was required, including diagnosed instances of issues in the past 6 months to a couple years.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:37 am to The Spleen
Thing is, its proving out to be much more detrimental, than helpful. And stating at least something was done and that should coujt for something is like saying at least pol pot did something about over population. The dems voted for something they didnt even take the time to read and understand. Much less allow debate on. It is horrible legislation that has hurt way more than helped and done opposite of what was claimed. More people lostcoverage. More people are paying more. More people have reduced coverage. There is no redeeming qualities over this legislation. And its a bit offensive for folks to say, it is what it is, deal with. Protest and speaking out is one way to start bringing about change.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:43 am to Tiguar
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The ACA is a shining moment for crony capitalism. The insurance companies are loving it... and the "anti corporation" left rammed it through congress.
This is a fallacy. Fascism requires big govt and big business. Both parties are slowly melding into this. The perpetual wars help.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:50 am to Alahunter
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And stating at least something was done and that should coujt for something is like saying at least pol pot did something about over population
Like I said, when you resort to such hyperbole it's hard to have an honest debate.
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Thing is, its proving out to be much more detrimental, than helpful
Depends on which sources you read and believe. The vast majority of the law has only been in force for 3 months, so I still think it's early to declare it a success or a failure. Any legislation that large and sweeping is going to have problems with implementation.
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And its a bit offensive for folks to say, it is what it is, deal with
Well maybe I should have been cleared. The talks of repealing it are futile. It's not going to happen, so let's drop the hyperbole and distorted stories and look at honestly and without bias. And that applies to both sides of the argument.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:02 am to The Spleen
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The talks of repealing it are futile.
No they're not. And it would kick start the economy if we did repeal it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:07 am to Stonehog
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People without health insurance are getting it, that must really piss you off for some reason.
It must really make you happy that everyone is having to pay a lot more for health insurance with worse overall quality (doctors opting out) due to a law that was forced through Congress with zero partisan support.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:10 am to Phat Phil
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Let's not pretend that we had a great healthcare system and Obama fricked it all up. It was totally rip-off, broken system to begin with.
And no, I'm not a liberal nor Obama supporter.
And let's not pretend that Obamacare didn't make the system much worse and hugely more complicated due to the government power grab.
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