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re: TD BCS guru has spoken...
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:46 pm to beaverfever
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:46 pm to beaverfever
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The problem is bama is going to feel like old news when lsu plays arkansas and georgia in back to back weeks and OU plays three conference games in the next 3 weeks finishing with a huge game at OSU. The media types will be eating that shite up. Bama is done moving up in the polls unless lsu/ou/osu start losing.
BOOM! After Conference Championship week, the voters will take OU if they win Bedlam or even Oregon winning the pac 12 before Bama, who won't win their own division. This is all provided of course LSU keeps winning. If LSU loses to Arky, then Bama has a legit shot. Also something to consider, if Oregon loses to USC this weekend, that will hurt Bama even more; combined with the possibility of PSU continuing to lose and Bama playing a FCS juggernaut this week.
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Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:47 pm to bwhite2435
boom goes eufaila.... 
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:47 pm to bwhite2435
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Why would we want to play any team we've already beaten and that would have a good chance to beat us so I'm scared of facing them again?
Lame argument. Bring the facts. You got your arse whipped at Home in primetime. Deal with it and move on.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:48 pm to crimsonsaint
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You must not pay attention much.
Why's that?
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:49 pm to bwhite2435
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Why would we want to play any team we've already beaten and that would have a good chance to beat us so I'm scared of facing them again?
There I fixed it for you!
Nobody is scared of you. Deal with it.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:50 pm to OneMoreTime
Say whatever you want, when it comes to mapping out the possible outcomes of the BCS formula, lsumatt is about the best there is. His projections have nothing to do with a bias toward LSU everything to do with how the poll voters are likely to split among the one loss teams and how the computers are likely to rank teams considering the different possible outcomes. Most of those who discount his projections do so because they don't like the way the computers work. The issue isn't whether you like the rankings, but what they will likely do. If you are going to challenge lsumatt on his projections, you had better come with some very specific and detailed knowledge of how the computer rankings actually work.
I haven't seen one challenge that is more than the "computers ought," as opposed to an actual explanation why he wrong based on how the computer rankings actually work. If lsumatt says that OU is in if they beat OSU, you had better
be able to show exactly why based on how the computers actually rank teams, not your opinion about who is better.
The computers will have a substantial and controlling impact
because, in part, the votes will be split in the polls.
I haven't seen one challenge that is more than the "computers ought," as opposed to an actual explanation why he wrong based on how the computer rankings actually work. If lsumatt says that OU is in if they beat OSU, you had better
be able to show exactly why based on how the computers actually rank teams, not your opinion about who is better.
The computers will have a substantial and controlling impact
because, in part, the votes will be split in the polls.
This post was edited on 11/16/11 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:51 pm to jdg91878
Well yeah if arkansas were to beat lsu everybody would flip shite and all bets would be off. But I disagree with Oregon. I think deep down everybody knows they're not a legit top 2 or 3 type team. They got exposed by two great SEC teams back-to-back. Them being in the NCG would be embarrassing.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:51 pm to JPLSU1981
Do not agree with #1. LSU loses to Arky and they will fall behind Arkansas, resulting in a Bama tie break. You did say a close loss, but Arky does not have the reputation of Alabama. They've "survived" too many games this year.
I tend to agree with #2. I think we'll experience a backlash from the SEC being so dominant. Voters in other parts of the country will not want a guaranteed SEC national champ that would result from an LSU/Bama match up. Just how I see it.
Disagree with #3. If an undefeated LSU loses in the SECCG, they will not go to the big dance. I think you'd see OU/OSU vs Oregon or something like that.
I tend to agree with #2. I think we'll experience a backlash from the SEC being so dominant. Voters in other parts of the country will not want a guaranteed SEC national champ that would result from an LSU/Bama match up. Just how I see it.
Disagree with #3. If an undefeated LSU loses in the SECCG, they will not go to the big dance. I think you'd see OU/OSU vs Oregon or something like that.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:52 pm to JPLSU1981
How bout this?
LSU - 2011 SEC Champions
Alabama - 2011 BCS Champions
LSU - 2011 SEC Champions
Alabama - 2011 BCS Champions
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:54 pm to crimsonsaint
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How bout this?
LSU - 2011 SEC Champions
Alabama - 2011 BCS Champions
Poor lil' Gump just can't let it go.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:56 pm to crimsonsaint
quote:Meaning arkansas beats lsu but ends up third in the BCS? I think unless lsu looked pretty piss poor in a lucky win over georgia I think they'd jump Bama again after the SEC CG.
How bout this?
LSU - 2011 SEC Champions
Alabama - 2011 BCS Champions
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:57 pm to I Love Bama
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Alabama is undefeated in regulation
Only lost by 3 points in overtime to the #1 team in the nation
Put up better numbers than the #1 team in the nation
Oklahoma got beat by a shitty TT team.
Ask yourself who YOU had rather play in the BCSCG and I promise it isn't Alabama. Everyone knows we are the 2nd best team in the country.
DEAR BAMA LOVER
I regret to inform you that there are no criteria by which the voters are required to judge the good, better and best teams.
NONE.
Therefore, some people will vote to create a fun matchup that they think some people would enjoy.
Some people will vote for the 'best' teams.
Some people will vote for the team they have an emotional relationship with.
Do not count on being in the Sugar bowl even.
If you are emotionally tied to some outcome, based on your perception of bama as being the best or 2nd best team, and the universe does not provide the bowl you feel/think is the right one, you will get to suffer. It sounds as if you are already suffering, actually.
I could describe many scenarios in which Bama does not even get a BCS spot, no less the champ game, and it does not even require bama to lose to Aubie. Voters be hating. Voters be human. Voters do not have to vote the same two times in a row, even though nothing much changes. bolded sentence should tell you something about the process.
My post is true. What it means is, pray that the Big ten and
Pac 10/12/14 relent and allow a playoff.
Its up to them. ACC and SEC were for a playoff. B10 and Pac were not. They like the big payoff of the Rose bowl.
They dont care about no stinkin' playoff and a legit champ.
or did not, up until now. Boycott roses. Let them know you are pissed at their mean spirited anti playoff money grubbing ways.
I have a solution. Teams which do not aspire to being in the champ game can play 12 games. Teams which want to be included in the playoff can only play 10 regular season games.
Then you can have a couple of rounds of playoff and the players would not be all beat to shite. I would give a week off after each round. Let them get their legs back and heal up. 8 teams.
The BCS conference champs and two at larges, based on the highest BCS ratings. That would account for Notre Dame, BYU and Bama and Houston.
This post was edited on 11/16/11 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:57 pm to I Love Bama
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The championship should be played between the two best football teams.
Then it's already been played.
Playing it again is a lose-lose for the winner of the first one.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:58 pm to OneMoreTime
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I have a feeling some of you Alabama fans are gonna have an emotional breakdown when Alabama is left out of the NC.
I understand at some level
I wish LSU had gotten a second chance at Florida in 2006... if they had they really might have won the SEC CCG
But they didn't because they lost the first time - it hurt but that's why the games matter so much
Posted on 11/16/11 at 2:58 pm to crimsonsaint
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LSU - 2011 SEC Champions
Alabama - 2011 BCS Champions
This is the best argument against a rematch I've seen yet.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:01 pm to OneMoreTime
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Why? Who has Alabama beat? Why should Alabama get another shot at LSU before Oklahoma gets their first shot when they have the same number of losses and Oklahoma has better wins?
It's more about who they haven't loss to. Oklahoma has LOST to Texas Tech. Why are they deserving of a championship game when they lose to a team that's not even sniffing the top 25?
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:05 pm to crimsonsaint
quote:The delusion is strong with this one.
How bout this?
LSU - 2011 SEC Champions
Alabama - 2011 BCS Champions
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:05 pm to jdg91878
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Also something to consider, if Oregon loses to USC this weekend, that will hurt Bama even more
WTF? If Oregon loses again it just makes LSU's win over them even weaker.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:10 pm to OneMoreTime
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Never said there was. Who's to say that Alabama is one of the two best teams? They're certainly not the best team because they've been beaten by the current best team. Oklahoma has not. Why should Alabama get another chance to try to show they are the best team when Oklahoma hasn't had a chance.
Why should Oklahoma get a chance when they lost to a crappy team?
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:14 pm to DoubleDown
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You already had your shot. Don't act like you weren't ever given a chance.
This is a true statement but a dumb argument. If the roles were reversed so would these posts by bama and lsu fans.
#1 plays #2. If OSU loses to Oklahoma, then it's evident that bama is #2 and should play again.
To be fair, I'd say the same thing if LSU had lost and were #3 trying to fight for a rematch. If OSU lost at #2, I'd be in favor of a rematch.
This whole statement is bullshite. If LSU had lost, it is totally different. What Bama fans are forgetting is that LSU beat you at home. You had every advantage and everyone in the media thought Bama would win. Plain and simple you lost whether it was 9-6 or 42-0, you lost. Stats during the game mean jack shite. Get over your gump thought process and listen to logic. There is no need to beat Bama or Oregon again. Give someone else a chance. Oregon has just as much an argument because they lost at a neutral site. If the game had been in New Orleans it would have still be a neutral site. Oklahoma or OSU will be in because they have won their confernce title game. The world doesn't revolve around Bama get over it you lost. NEXT!!
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