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re: NCAA Proposes Cecil Newton Law to Close Loophole That AU Slipped Through
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:23 pm to joeyb147
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:23 pm to joeyb147
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What are talking about?
So you are saying that actually receiving benefits is less serious than a parent asking, but not receiving, benefits?
Depends on what we're talking about. a fishing trip with a guy the player thought was a friend? And were the benefits because they were players? No, the guy was an auburn fan. But seriously, you're not very smart. If I try to contract for a murder, and am caught tht is more serious than hitting guy with my fist, even though in one instance a person was harmed and in another he was not? Of course not. Anyone will tell you that trying to extort 180,000 from a college to sign with them is worse than getting a fishing trip from somoone you thought was a friend.
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Seriously?
Really, i should ask you.
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:23 pm to secfan123
quote:Apparently you are too stupid to grasp the fact that the NCAA can't just say parent = athlete. If the athlete is an adult, the parent has no right to act on behalf of the athlete and the athlete has no control over the parent. I was pointing out the ignorance in your parent=athlete under all circumstances position.
No it doesnt. This isnt a ruling of law. It is not illegal for me to sell my jersey for as much as i can get for it, it simpy violates ncaa rules. Law has nothing to do with it. But you already know this.
As a Bama fan, you are no doubt aware that the government has and could again look into any due process violations of the NCAA. Although the NCAA has successfully defeated it in the past.
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:25 pm to AUnite
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The argument here is that Cecil asked for extra benefits, not Cam. It's also been said that Cam didn't know what was going on.
Doesnt matter. Ncaa has said in the past athlete=parent.
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Asking for extra benefits<<receiving extra benefits
Which is why i said with the current evidence he should have served a 2-4 game suspension, much like AJ Green.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:27 pm to secfan123
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This is the whole reason for the NCAA discussing new wording to close the loophole. I refer the case of Cecil and Cam Newton that showed the limitations of your statement. Welcome to the discussion.
Quit being delibrately obtuse. There ws no "loophole" until the ncaa made one in this situation. Every coach/complinace officer before this knew parent=athlete.
My interpretation as well. Basically the NCAA interpolated their own rules to make an exception in Cam's case.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:28 pm to secfan123
quote:When? Under similar circumstances? Under any and all circumstances?
Ncaa has said in the past athlete=parent.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:29 pm to secfan123
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Doesnt matter. Ncaa has said in the past athlete=parent.
I'm just going regurgitate what WDE said: "The NCAA can't just say parent = athlete. If the athlete is an adult, the parent has no right to act on behalf of the athlete and the athlete has no control over the parent".
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:30 pm to secfan123
Was albert means forced to sit out any games at memphis? Seriously, I dont know
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:30 pm to WDE24
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Apparently you are too stupid to grasp the fact that the NCAA can't just say parent = athlete.
Yes, they can. Just like they can say an athlete cant sell his private property for what he can gt for it. Are you really fricking arguing this?
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If the athlete is an adult, the parent has no right to act on behalf of the athlete and the athlete has no control over the parent.
The athlete doesnt have to. This is not law we're talking about, its ncaa rules. If I belong to a club that wants to kick me out because my father was anti-semite, that is the clubs perogative.
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I was pointing out the ignorance in your parent=athlete under all circumstances position.
Its not ignorance. You really think this about law, dont you? Its not. The ncaa, like many organizations, have rules tht are not governend n the sme way laws are. Example, them preventing me of disposing of private property in a manner i see fit (something tht would be illegal if the government tries to do it).
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As a Bama fan, you are no doubt aware that the government has and could again look into any due process violations of the NCAA. Although the NCAA has successfully defeated it in the past.
Exactly. They have defeated it in the past because the ncaa is not the government and can decide to a much larger degree what rules it should have and how to enforce them.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:31 pm to NYCAuburn
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Was albert means forced to sit out any games at memphis?
nope
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:32 pm to secfan123
If you would like to be taken seriously in this argument, you might want to post the actual by laws and the interpretations/past rullings that support your opinions
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:33 pm to parkjas2001
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nope
The ruling in the means case was that a coach not a parent solicited and got money. The ncaa has never said coach=athlete.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:33 pm to parkjas2001
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nope
So Secfan's argument that there is precedent that cam should have sat games at AU is null and void
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:34 pm to secfan123
quote:Not entirely, but the people that write, enforce and argue these decisions are mostly lawyers that are going to think and act like lawyers and will be influenced and instructed by the law.
You really think this about law, dont you?
By the way, where has the NCAA repeatedly said parent = athlete? You keep saying this without answering questions about it. Again, has this been said to apply in any and all circumstances?
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:35 pm to NYCAuburn
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Secfan's argument that there is precedent that cam should have sat games at AU
is based on zero history of this situation ever happening before.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:35 pm to secfan123
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But seriously, you're not very smart.
Okay, champ.
You certaintly have a point.
Committing assault - Not a big deal.
Thinking about committing armed robbery - SERIOUS TROUBLE.
Thanks for the clarification.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:36 pm to NYCAuburn
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So Secfan's argument that there is precedent that cam should have sat games at AU is null and void
Actually, no. Ncaa has said parent=athlete, not that coach=athlete. keep up.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:37 pm to joeyb147
Okay, champ.
What can I say, Im sorry that you're dumb enough to think taking a fishing trip with someone you thought was a friend is worse than trying to extort 180,000 dollars from a college?
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You certaintly have a point.
Committing assault - Not a big deal.
Thinking about committing armed robbery - SERIOUS TROUBLE.
Thanks for the clarification.
What can I say, Im sorry that you're dumb enough to think taking a fishing trip with someone you thought was a friend is worse than trying to extort 180,000 dollars from a college?
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:38 pm to secfan123
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Actually, no. Ncaa has said parent=athlete, not that coach=athlete. keep up.
Can you show me where? And per the rules someone acted as an influence onto means to determine where he went, for a fee. So I would say they are very much the same. The big difference is that no one has found that cam, nor cecil has recieved any money yet.
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:38 pm to secfan123
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Ncaa has said parent=athlete
Please show me, so I can understand the NCAA's context in saying such as opposed to just taking your word or it. 
Posted on 7/27/11 at 12:39 pm to WDE24
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Apparently you are too stupid to grasp the fact that the NCAA can't just say parent = athlete. If the athlete is an adult, the parent has no right to act on behalf of the athlete and the athlete has no control over the parent
Not going to get sucked in, but just wanted to point out...
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Newton let his father make the final decision, and a few days before Christmas, while sitting at the dinner table in his brother's house in Jacksonville, Cecil Sr. uttered two words that would radically alter the college football landscape: "It's Auburn."
Cam was an adult, over 21. In this once instance, the NCAA could say parent = athlete.
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