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re: Jalen Milroe. The Sobering Truth From an NFL Scout...
Posted on 7/21/24 at 10:18 am to John Milner
Posted on 7/21/24 at 10:18 am to John Milner
I wasn't talking about Georgia.
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Posted on 7/21/24 at 10:47 am to BasedCrimson
he also has another year of college football to play. was Jayden Daniels far and away the best player in the nation heading into last august
Posted on 7/21/24 at 10:55 am to JamalMurry27
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he also has another year of college football to play
lord forbid that he returns for a 5th year and this time next year we are still talking about his potential.
if his problems were truly a bad center and/or OC, he has a great opportunity to prove this season that he's a good qb rather than an average qb, in which case he will be better off in the nfl next year. By now I feel kind of like we are being held hostage by our own qb.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 11:41 am to BLG
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one dimensional offense. You could win titles with that and a great defense 30 years ago
That Nebraska offense would still run through college football like shite through a tin horn
Posted on 7/21/24 at 12:50 pm to BasedCrimson
Anyone who watched last year and had a first round grade on him wasn’t watching too closely. That said, he has room to improve and we will see what DeBoer can get out of him. Honestly a third round grade seems kinda high right now.
This post was edited on 7/21/24 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:15 pm to Bham Bammer
Well, Saban has an opinion:
“The one thing about Jalen Milroe that a lot of these other quarterbacks can’t do: Make you play different on defense,” Saban said. “You can’t rush four guys, you’ve got to have a rat on the guy mirroring him, spying him. You’re just looking at the quarterback, you’re not rushing, so when he scrambles you can get him on the ground.
“Not easy to play man-to-man. You start playing man-to-man everybody has their back to the quarterback, he takes off, there’s nobody to get him on the ground. So he makes you play different on defense, which I think makes everybody else on their offense better.”
Probably not as knowledgeable as some of the guys on here though.
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“The one thing about Jalen Milroe that a lot of these other quarterbacks can’t do: Make you play different on defense,” Saban said. “You can’t rush four guys, you’ve got to have a rat on the guy mirroring him, spying him. You’re just looking at the quarterback, you’re not rushing, so when he scrambles you can get him on the ground.
“Not easy to play man-to-man. You start playing man-to-man everybody has their back to the quarterback, he takes off, there’s nobody to get him on the ground. So he makes you play different on defense, which I think makes everybody else on their offense better.”
Probably not as knowledgeable as some of the guys on here though.
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Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:41 pm to FoTownBam
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That Nebraska offense would still run through college football like shite through a tin horn
then why doesn't anybody run it?
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:49 pm to Tideroller
This is what Jordan Palmer thinks of Jalen. He has worked with Jalen this off-season. The first Qb he trained was Blake Bortles. Also trained Joe Burrow and a bunch others.
Coal for the LANK train
Coal for the LANK train
Posted on 7/21/24 at 4:11 pm to BLG
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then why doesn't anybody run it?
No one ran it in the 90s either except the military schools, Georgia Tech, and Nebraska. With the right personnel it still could be effective. Auburn 2014 was basically a one dimensional offense that occasionally threw bombs. They nearly put 50 on Bama that season. That offense was basically a triple option in shotgun formation. Different formation with same concepts. They had a former corner running it
Posted on 7/21/24 at 8:48 pm to JamalMurry27
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was Jayden Daniels far and away the best player in the nation heading into last august
Jayden Daniels is not a complete retard
You either have it or you don’t and Milroe does not have it
Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 7/21/24 at 8:50 pm to BasedCrimson
It’s obvious to anyone who’s seen the kid play. He’s not a pro.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 10:18 pm to Tideroller
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Well, Saban has an opinion … Probably not as knowledgeable as some of the guys on here though.
I didn’t see anything in that commentary about his draft stock or status. He has a dangerous skill set. However, his passing (based on last year) still leaves a lot to be desired, and if Saban were being candid he’d acknowledge that. If his accuracy and processing speed improves he will have a chance at a pro career. But without those two things you are DOA in the NFL.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 10:31 pm to BasedCrimson
Bama will be fine. Plenty of playmakers around the QB
Posted on 7/21/24 at 11:14 pm to geauxbrown
I was a little surprised to see Alabama go away from a trad pro style QB. They recruited highly enough to not need a “gimmicky” QB. I know college, and the NFL to a degree, have gone more DT but that’s just to help hide weaknesses elsewhere.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:04 am to redfish99
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It’s obvious to anyone who’s seen the kid play. He’s not a pro.
If Anthony frickin Richardson can get taken in the first round and start in the NFL, so can Milroe.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:11 am to BLG
quote:Thankfully Milroe will be gone at the end of this year now matter what. If he loses the job, he'll transfer. If he plays, he'll go pro. Can't wait for him to be gone so we can move on from discussing an athlete attempting to be something he is not.
he also has another year of college football to play
Posted on 7/22/24 at 2:12 am to BLG
“then why doesn't anybody run it?”
I have been asking myself this for 15 years and I truly think it’s because it isn’t sexy. Ask ANY major league player and they will tell you the knuckleballer is the pitcher they hate to see most but it isn’t as cool as watching a 98 mph guy.
The option, like Nebraska ran or any of the wishbone teams is the best offense that’s ever been devised. You don’t have to have a great o line, you don’t have to have a 5 star qb or receivers. You just need good athletes in your backfield. It takes the weather factor out of a game also. You negate an opposing teams best pass rusher and force DBs to be linebackers. Where’s Nebraska been since they dumped it? Anybody seen Colorado since they dumped it? Remember when Syracuse was a top 10 team running it? How many national titles did Barry switzer win at OU running it. More than OU has won put together since he left. Lest we forget the pony express option at SMU. Hell, the best offense Bama played in 2011 was ga southern with their triple option.
I have been asking myself this for 15 years and I truly think it’s because it isn’t sexy. Ask ANY major league player and they will tell you the knuckleballer is the pitcher they hate to see most but it isn’t as cool as watching a 98 mph guy.
The option, like Nebraska ran or any of the wishbone teams is the best offense that’s ever been devised. You don’t have to have a great o line, you don’t have to have a 5 star qb or receivers. You just need good athletes in your backfield. It takes the weather factor out of a game also. You negate an opposing teams best pass rusher and force DBs to be linebackers. Where’s Nebraska been since they dumped it? Anybody seen Colorado since they dumped it? Remember when Syracuse was a top 10 team running it? How many national titles did Barry switzer win at OU running it. More than OU has won put together since he left. Lest we forget the pony express option at SMU. Hell, the best offense Bama played in 2011 was ga southern with their triple option.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 5:38 am to TouchdownTony
The spread is "option" football. The QB simply makes one read and decides to hand off, run, or throw. Different than the wishbone in personnel, but at the HUNH pace of some teams it is still very effective, especially, with elite personnel. GaTech ran an interesting multi-back version of the spread option a few years back with limited success. So did Army and Navy.
In general, less talented defenses haven't caught up with speed, nor will they. Mostly because the new rules and 40-second continuous running clock give the offense a huge advantage over defenses that can't mix and match. Any spread offense with a pulse seems to be able to move the football between the 20s, but in the red zone, and short yardage, it starts breaking down fast as you run out of room. Especially against good d-lines. When they start kicking field goals you got them.
Frankly, it takes a lot less talent to be effective at this spread option football than at Nebraska. And the rules have changed. Is this what we want college football to be? I guess so, 40-second clock and all.
In general, less talented defenses haven't caught up with speed, nor will they. Mostly because the new rules and 40-second continuous running clock give the offense a huge advantage over defenses that can't mix and match. Any spread offense with a pulse seems to be able to move the football between the 20s, but in the red zone, and short yardage, it starts breaking down fast as you run out of room. Especially against good d-lines. When they start kicking field goals you got them.
Frankly, it takes a lot less talent to be effective at this spread option football than at Nebraska. And the rules have changed. Is this what we want college football to be? I guess so, 40-second clock and all.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 7:50 am to bamameister
The spread isn't one dimensional option football.
This part of the discussion emanated from this post...
"I don’t care what some NFL scout thinks of him. Tommie Frazier wasn’t getting 1st round projections and in the right offense, he was an all time great college quarterback. Milroe could be the same"
To which I replied that it was a one dimensional offense, and a team could win titles with that 30 yrs ago. My point was mostly that like Frazier, Milroe struggles with a consistent passing game. That point seems to have been missed entirely or ignored.
As for why a one dimensional option offense can't win titles anymore is due to a few things. One primary factor is that cut blocks aren't allowed anymore. A second important factor is the speed of defensive players now. Another factor, and Touchdown Tony kind of alluded to it, is that type of offense doesn't attract elite skill position recruits.
RPO works when you have the right qb, but it's not one dimensional like the Nebraska offense, or typical wishbone offenses are. Those teams that still run one dimensional option offenses aren't competing for national titles.
This part of the discussion emanated from this post...
"I don’t care what some NFL scout thinks of him. Tommie Frazier wasn’t getting 1st round projections and in the right offense, he was an all time great college quarterback. Milroe could be the same"
To which I replied that it was a one dimensional offense, and a team could win titles with that 30 yrs ago. My point was mostly that like Frazier, Milroe struggles with a consistent passing game. That point seems to have been missed entirely or ignored.
As for why a one dimensional option offense can't win titles anymore is due to a few things. One primary factor is that cut blocks aren't allowed anymore. A second important factor is the speed of defensive players now. Another factor, and Touchdown Tony kind of alluded to it, is that type of offense doesn't attract elite skill position recruits.
RPO works when you have the right qb, but it's not one dimensional like the Nebraska offense, or typical wishbone offenses are. Those teams that still run one dimensional option offenses aren't competing for national titles.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:00 am to BLG
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RPO works when you have the right qb, but it's not one dimensional like the Nebraska offense, or typical wishbone offenses are. Those teams that still run one dimensional option offenses aren't competing for national titles.
I didn't say it way. I said it was spread "option" football with different personnel. And frankly, the wishbone option that BAMA ran under Bear Bryant was a much more 2-dimensional option offense than say, Oklahoma's wishbone. Our QBs could and would throw the ball. Option football is what you make it, past and present. So it goes with the HUNH spread option. It's still option football.
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