re: Freeze presser 9/30

We are under no circumstances a team carrying top 15 talent - maybe top 55

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so either we're more talented or we out coached them. Pick your sunshine negas.

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We are both. We are talented but young. We are experienced with some average players. Some who are quality SEC players but we make a ton of mistakes from the young to the old.

And yes we have been out coached as well. Not being prepared to play against NMST, Cal, Arky just in the past few games. That’s culture which comes directly from the coaching staff. I don’t count the Maryland game and never will bowl games anymore because of play opt outs. I will only count playoff games because the teams and players don’t care so why should I?

So yes we have talent probably around 8-9th in the conference, we play sloppy at critical times, and we haven’t coached well. So a combination of all 3.

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With all due respect we are not Mizzou

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Didn’t say we were. Said rebuilds don’t all happen the same way. It’s not always 6-6, 8-4, 10-2, championship.

Dabo Swinney.

4-3 (took over mid year)
9-5
6-7
10-4

Nick Saban @ MSU

6-5-1
6-6
7-5
6-6
9-2

Nick Saban @ LSU
8-4
10-3
8-5

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I'm not saying we should or shouldn't fire Hugh but if we did you can't just say we would be in the gutter. That's a loser mentality.

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A loser mentality because it’s going to hurt our program to do it?

You can’t turnover coaches without giving them chances over and over and expect any good coach to sign up to do it. Hugh doesn’t even have his second full recruiting class in here and half the fan base has him out the door. It’s one thing when you have a coach like Harsin who can’t keep players he has and is tanking in the recruiting rankings. It’s another to fire a coach who’s recruiting his arse off before he even gets guys in the door.

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Hanging on to a losing hand longer doesn't make things better.

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You fold before the flop everytime and you’re guaranteed to lose.

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What quality coach you think we're gonna bring? You got a name in mind?

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There’s no name you’re going to be satisfied hearing. What we HAVE is a guy who landed his last big program on probation and no one outside of us wanted. We are about to have our second losing season under him and fourth in a row overall. He isn’t getting fired this year, but let’s stop pretending this is a normal rebuild season or that his hands are clean of the results. We’ve lost three games we should have won on our home field, a symptom repeated from last year. We still look chaotic on offense (Freeze’s specialty), have no quarterback (most important position on the roster) and short of backing the Brinks truck up at portal time, it’s not looking very sunny going into next season, either. How many years do you think is reasonable to give Freeze in the NIL/portal era? Kiffin turned a bad roster around relatively quickly without four to five years to show any progress. We’ve had our own bad moments in rebuild history, but usually played to our strengths and minimized the damage instead of going five wide and slinging the ball into coverage constantly.

If we hired Rhett lashee or somebody like that sure but if through some back room channels we found out there was am established guy interested in the job and we finally ponied up for big name then we could accelerate the process. Not saying that's possible but who knows what goes on behind the scenes or how fed up the money people are with sucking. I don't think Hugh gets fired but if we end up 4 8 and get blown out by our rivals and lose recruits i wouldn't be shocked.

I still think a bowl is possible if the team doesn't quit

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how fed up the money people are with sucking

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The only people fed up are the people that don't understand what a rebuild looks like. The only news I've heard in this regard is that Freeze is the most supported Auburn coach in a long time. All the vitriol is coming from message boards and comment sections. It's not unreasonable to still expect a little bit of patience at this point in the process. All the blurbs we've gotten from recruits recently show they're being patient so the fan base should too.

I don't know a single person who is unreasonable about the situation Hugh came into. A rebuild, especially in the portal era isn't supposed to get worse in year 2. 2-6 in our last 8 games with 5 home losses, 4 of them to teams we are more talented than. A bowl game embarrassment to a mid Acc team. That's not on Gus, Haskins, or anyone else other than freeze.

The only programs that can stay stable through coach firings now are established programs that top dawgs want to coach for. If you don't make a home run hire you lose your roster. And if you're firing your head coach every two years, with each firing it makes it tougher to make that home run hire. So now you're just praying you get lucky and your decent mid major/fcs guy/coordinator you bring in is the next urban meyer/Chris petersen/kirby smart but a huge majority of the time they're Derek dooley/ butch jones/ will muschamp. We could maybe get curt cignetti but the drinkwitz/James Franklin type hires are out of our range. Kiffin thought long and hard about taking the job when we fired harsin but after we fire freeze he'd tweet a screenshot of an email or a call log with the AD with laughing emojis. You set a precedent of firing a coach before he can get his top 5 recruiting class even hits the field and proven coaches aren't gonna want to coach for you. Maybe you as a fan want to chase the lightning in the bottle but I don't. I don't want to have to hire another coach for a decade so I'm gonna support Hugh and give him time bc that's what the program needs if we're gonna find stability in the next couple years.

If he loses the class this is a completely different discussion and I'm very aware of the possibility of that.

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My only point is it's dumb to say firing freeze is an automatic decade long setback.

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Barring a hypothetical scenario that would be a miracle, you agree with me though. That’s why I don’t understand your point.