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re: If DeBoer went nuclear on this team to change the culture now, would you support it?
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:01 pm to _Hurricane_
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:01 pm to _Hurricane_
Do what needs to be done imo, but this isn't happening in the social media era
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:04 pm to _Hurricane_
I'm not sure what the best approach is. DeBoer I think has decided to sidestep the issue and just wait for these guys to get replaced with his own. I don't think he has the necessary credibility to go nuclear on the team, even if elements of the culture really do need to be drastically changed.
In my mind, the realistic best case scenario for Alabama at this point is that they win the games they should win and Milroe plays decently enough that he can declare for the NFL after the Iron Bowl. That looks like 9-3, about what many expected, it gets Milroe out of here peacefully, and allows next year's possible starter to get quality game reps in the bowl.
In my mind, the realistic best case scenario for Alabama at this point is that they win the games they should win and Milroe plays decently enough that he can declare for the NFL after the Iron Bowl. That looks like 9-3, about what many expected, it gets Milroe out of here peacefully, and allows next year's possible starter to get quality game reps in the bowl.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:05 pm to Hater Bait
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I think we have a weak coach that happened to win a weak conference that no longer exists and a Sugar bowl and was blown out in the national championship.
Wild he managed to do what Saban couldn't do: beat Sark in back to back years. Also managed to beat Lincoln Riley, which Brian Kelly and LSU couldn't do. Then there's Cal, which Hugh Freeze couldn't do. Then there's Kirby Smart, which no coach has been able to do. Then there's Dan Lanning, which he beat not once, not twice, but three times and I bet Lanning was your top choice to replace Saban, huh?
But sure, he sucks for not immediately turning around a team that was almost embarrassed by USF and literally needed a miracle to beat a shite Auburn team that both Tennessee and Vandy would have smoked. Not to mention let a 4 win Arkansas team come back and nearly upset them.
I've got news for you, my guy: there isn't an active coach out there that could win with Jalen Milroe as their QB. You think Jake Coker would have seen all those wide open receivers, tight ends and running lanes last Saturday that Radio Milroe couldn't?
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:28 pm to CrimsonCrusade
That’s probably the easiest way to do this. Maybe not the right way but a way.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:24 pm to _Hurricane_
I don’t understand why so many people blame the players for the culture. These are 18-22 year olds making a lot of money and being told how great they are. It’s the coach’s job to instill discipline in these guys. CKD is the problem with the team’s culture. This is a soft, undisciplined football team because that’s the culture CKD created here. CKD is the one who created the culture problem within this program.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:36 pm to PuertoRicanBlaze
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there isn't an active coach out there that could win with Jalen Milroe as their QB.
Is this supposed to be an excuse for DeBoer? If Milroe isn’t getting the job done (he isn’t) play another QB.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:38 pm to CrimsonTider98
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I don’t understand why so many people blame the players for the culture
Because they are the problem that KD has inherited. Have you noticed that every name tossed around in this thread are all guys that have been here 3-4 years?
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:41 pm to AlterDWI
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Because they are the problem that KD has inherited. Have you noticed that every name tossed around in this thread are all guys that have been here 3-4 years?
All guys that were part of a team that won the SEC last year and is now basically eliminated from contention before Halloween. These aren’t bad guys. They’re not the dogs we had during the peak of the dynasty but they’re not uncoachable. For 10 mil a year, I think it’s reasonable to expect DeBoer to do a bit better.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:57 pm to CrimsonTider98
I’ll ask you the question I asked the last person yapping about “softness.” Tell me how you can be Bryant at Junction or R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket when you’re coaching millionaires who can leave when they want to?
The only thing a coach can do now is say who plays and who doesn’t play. That’s where DeBoer needs to step up.
The only thing a coach can do now is say who plays and who doesn’t play. That’s where DeBoer needs to step up.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:59 pm to PuertoRicanBlaze
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I've got news for you, my guy: there isn't an active coach out there that could win with Jalen Milroe as their QB.
There is one active coach out there that can.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:05 pm to bamaguy17
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It’s a testament to just how good of a coach Saban was that things didn’t fall off the rails earlier.
In 25 years, people will realize that the best thing Saban did for his own legacy at BAMA was leaving when he did.
I'm not mad at him. He earned all his glory, but damn did he leave in the Nick of time.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:13 pm to CrimsonTider98
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These aren’t bad guys.
Never said they were. I'm not the one in here calling them cancers.
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For 10 mil a year, I think it’s reasonable to expect DeBoer to do a bit better.
You could pay Deboer 10 billion a year & that's not going to force the team leaders to buy-in to the new coaching staff.
You could also literally copy/paste your argument into a thread in 2007 after the La Monroe loss.
"Saban's getting paid 4 million a year. I expect better."
Transition years are tough. You could spend all day going through the records & ugly losses even great coaches have their first year with a new program.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:17 pm to Hater Bait
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I think we have a weak coach that happened to win a weak conference
Oregon is #1 this week.
DeBoer is 3-0 vs them.
2-0 vs Texas.
1-0 vs uga.
How's Washington doing by the way?
DeBoer isn't Saban, but neither is Harbaugh. Pretty sure Harbaugh just beat Saban.
There are different ways to win. DeBoer is letting these younger guys see what happens when players lead the team. I, for one am here for it.
There's nothing I know better than my profession. If you were a young guy in my profession I'm not going to yell at you when or before you frick up. I'm going to let you frick up, provided it doesn't endanger someone's life.
I'm also not going to belittle you when you come to me and tell me you fricked up and ask for help.
Saban was about the process. The Process from what I've been able to see is simple. It was "Do What The frick I Say And You'll Be Successful."
DeBoer isn't that guy. He just isn't. If you want Saban, cheer for Uga. Kirby is Saban's clone.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:20 pm to Chancellor
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There is one active coach out there that can.
If you mean Kirby, he let Justin Fields walk for Jake Fromm and it cost him at least one natty.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:24 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
I didn’t mean Kirby.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:30 pm to AlterDWI
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You could also literally copy/paste your argument into a thread in 2007 after the La Monroe loss. "Saban's getting paid 4 million a year. I expect better."
This comparison is embarrassing cope. Did Saban inherit 27 5 star recruits? There’s a good chance this is the most talented roster CKD ever coaches and the team looks terrible. What reason is there to believe it will get better in the future when DeBoer gets “his guys” in?
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:33 pm to CrimsonTider98
What if you either inherited your girlfriend or if you got to pick a girlfriend that is more compatible to your behavior patterns. Which relationship would have a higher chance of success?
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:34 pm to _Hurricane_
I remember when nate oats took over and the concensus was to just go full throttle with the system, to hell with wins. The rest is history.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:36 pm to SabanFollowsMeAround
Why do you think new players coming in won’t present the same challenges as the current set of players? DeBoer will have the same problems with “his players” as he's having with these players if he doesn’t start holding guys accountable and running a tighter ship. When you have players talking to the press about guys being late to meetings that’s a really bad sign.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:38 pm to RollTide4Ever
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I remember when nate oats took over and the concensus was to just go full throttle with the system, to hell with wins. The rest is history.
Nate Oats won the SEC his 2nd year with players he inherited so I’m not sure what to make of this comparison.
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