re: DeBoer Says: Players Are Having Trouble Learning

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Deboer jumped at the chance to come to Bama when I am not convinced many good coaches wanted that pressure but he did.

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That says alot about his confidence. I'm happy we got our man. Way too many teams have to go down the line of quality coaches.


I know Bama Fans bitch at every loss. Some wanted Saban gone. That is a fact.

Some of it is scheme and some of it is execution. I think 80% of it is execution.

When you're getting beat by quick slants and rub routes against man on 3rd and 7, that's scheme. That was a bad defensive play call. When the offense motions and identifies you're in man and identifies the specific player responsible for the running back, it's pretty simple for the offense to know exactly where to go with the ball and exactly what route concept is going to make that throw very easy and open. When you run that same defense on every 3rd and 7 you are going to get beat.

Now, from an execution standpoint, that's been more poor.

There were two glaring examples from the USCe game for me of different types of poor execution. One was a run in the B-gap, Lawson is standing there flatfooted waiting on the guy in a phone booth, and he makes a meek, off balanced attempt at swiping at the kids ankles. Just a pathetic excuse of a tackle attempt. It's hard to know for sure why the B-gap was so wide open in the first place without knowing the stunt call- but that leads me to my second point

There was a run outside right where we had the play pretty much strung out horizontally. We had two guys walling off the cutback, and Devonta Smith was the widest guy on the field readying to take on the blocker. Rather than do what's coached, attacking the outside shoulder and setting the edge, he tries to come inside- where he had a cavalry of pursuing help, and gets blocked and clears the way for a nice gain on the outside run. This is an example of how a guy not doing his job impacts the whole play. The defense was flowing to the ball, and if Smith does his job it's a 1 yard gain instead of a 7 yard gain. I think up front you've got guys going a little off script to "make a play" because they don't trust the play is going to work. Then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Football isn't rocket science though. At the end of the day, blocking and tackling are still the two pillars or winning football. If we stop missing tackles then we'll start playing a lot better on defense regardless of scheme.

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If you listen to his latest press conference, and read between the lines, this is essentially what he's saying.

He mentioned that some of our defensive calls have the same name from a year ago, but they're something totally different now. I'm sure he's referencing a particular instance or so where the defense has gotten confused by this.

Someone asked him about in-game adjustments on defense. He said that they try to plan before the game as well as possible, but when opposing offenses are throwing the kitchen sink at you, and new things you've never seen on tape, there's not much they can do. Why? Because the defense has a hard enough time running the base defense, plus the gameplan defense. In order to adjust to things they've never seen, they'd need to have a better grasp of the entire defensive playbook to be able to draw from things that aren't base, and aren't in the gameplan. Therefore, they try to keep the in-game defensive adjustments to a minimum so that the players can still play with confidence.

He says this has happened everywhere he's been. The first year is always up-and-down because the players are inexperienced in the new scheme, and with the new playbook and concepts. With more games, and more reps, they're able to bank more and more concepts, and the playcalling can expand more and more.


If you think about it, this is a perfectly logical explanation, and it's something we should've expected.
Let's all calm down and remember this is a massive transition year.

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I shall not.

The Alabama Crimson Tide lost to the Vanderbilt Commodores and got pushed to the wall at home by a team named after a chicken's dick.

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I'd mentioned this in another thread. I figured with a new staff (for the most part), new/different offense/defense/special teams, new terminology, and a crap load of true freshmen playing a lot in the secondary, there were going to be some struggles. Think about this, in their first year coaching at Bama:

Coach Bryant 5-4-1

Ray Perkins 8-4

Gene Stallings 7-5

To automatically assume that there were going to be no growing pains is a bit naive and unrealistic.

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Every single Alabama fan I know expected growing pains and losses. Losing to Vanderbilt however and losing to the the Cocks, everywhere except the scoreboard is not the professional level of results that I now expect from not only the coaches but also a highly paid first and second roster of players.

My expectations are not at all unrealistic.

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What is a growing pain? Getting dominated by USF for 55 minutes and a few overthrows from a blowout? A game at Wisconsin that could have bene very different without an early injury? The second half against Georgia? Domination from Vanderbilt and total lack of adjustment from the defense? Almost giving the game away to South Carolina?

Not to mention the QB is playing like his old self, we have no run game, veteran players are losing their shite on the field. At some point we have to consider there are systemic issues that can't be chalked up as growing pains.

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So far, this is the best post in this thread.

This play isn't really on the coaches. It's just piss poor effort from a senior.

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The more you watch it, the worst it gets.

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What is a growing pain?


New coaches and players adjusting to the day to day culture in the building and at practices , coaches coming into a new conference for many, getting to know each young man on the team or how to get the most out of each player. New systems on the field and off (discipline, nutrition , S&C , team meetings) . I could probably think of ten or twelve more if I tried but for anyone to think we were going to pick right up from 2020 ( even Saban couldn’t ) is really being unfair or naive to this staff

ETA- and don’t forget , Deboer jumped at the chance to come to Bama when I am not convinced many good coaches wanted that pressure but he did. He is a great tactician IMO . People just don’t need to compare him to Saban or we will be looking for coaches every few years and sink into mediocrity

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I'm downvoting you because you didn't quote WW's entire post and you should've. He makes a much better point than you.

The first emboldened part. No one thought that. No one at all. We all expected so called "growing pains" or whatever the frick else, but this level of dysfunction is completely unexpected. This team is legit fricked up.

The second emboldened part is right, but the guy is making about 11 million dollars a year to lose to Vanderbilt and get slapped around by the Cocks.

My expectations here are not unreasonable.

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Think how futile and stupid this is. You are a nobody. Your outrage isnt gonna force the coaching staff to do anything differently. At most it just embarrasses yourself. I remember 2007. I remember the outrage of getting Croomed and losing to La Monroe(with far superior talent). The same kind of reactionary people now are just like they were then, calling for Saban to be fired.

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As per usual...

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scottydoesntknow

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Oh boy! Another stupid hot take from Scotty, who doesn't know shite.

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Think how futile and stupid this is. You are a nobody. Your outrage isnt gonna force the coaching staff to do anything differently. At most it just embarrasses yourself

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Half these dudes acting like that are miserable losers who have nothing in their life but Alabama football.... the other half are trolls from other fanbases which only post whenever we're losing or in turmoil to antagonize or incite the first half (losers).