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re: Let's get your Petrino feelings on record now.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:56 am to Tridentds
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:56 am to Tridentds
2.) I wanted a young up-and-comer on the bleeding edge of modern offensive innovation
3.) I'm actually somewhat sanguine Petrino will work as an OC if Jimbo actually gives him full control. Two massive egos, but best case scenario is this past season humbled Jimbo enough to know he's gotta change approach ahora mismo, or it's over (he may not care with the $$$ he's getting, but pride could drive him to avoid further pratfalls of failure)
If it implodes, I think that's all she wrote for the Fisher era.
I say all this hoping to be proven emphatically wrong as Jimbo/Petrino lay waste to the CFB world and lead us to the promised land. For reference, I wanted Harbaugh fired at Michigan a couple of years ago, and he turned it around finally.
3.) I'm actually somewhat sanguine Petrino will work as an OC if Jimbo actually gives him full control. Two massive egos, but best case scenario is this past season humbled Jimbo enough to know he's gotta change approach ahora mismo, or it's over (he may not care with the $$$ he's getting, but pride could drive him to avoid further pratfalls of failure)
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If it implodes but offense is noticeably better do you think Fisher will resume play calling long term or will the offensive output improvement make it impossible for him to resume play calling again?
If it implodes, I think that's all she wrote for the Fisher era.
I say all this hoping to be proven emphatically wrong as Jimbo/Petrino lay waste to the CFB world and lead us to the promised land. For reference, I wanted Harbaugh fired at Michigan a couple of years ago, and he turned it around finally.
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Posted on 1/9/23 at 12:47 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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If it implodes, I think that's all she wrote for the Fisher era.
This is why I don't really see a downside with the Petrino hire. Even if Petrino is no longer the offensive master he once was it will be a big improvement over Fisher. IF it falls apart then Fisher should be done. IF it works well and Petrino moves on then Fisher will have to bring in another OC.
Right now I just don't see any scenario where Fisher resumes being the OC/play caller. This is what I really like about Petrino coming in.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 12:58 pm to Tridentds
Petrino goes instantly back to a top tier playcaller, we win our first SEC title in 2023. Count it.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:13 pm to Tridentds
What does success and what does imploding w/Petrino look like to y'all?
I had it as implode just b/c I think he's only going to last 2 years tops but I also would be surprised if we win less than 7 regular season games the next two years.
Say we go 8-4 and 7-5 the next two years and split the bowls ending up w/two 8-5 seasons. Nobody will be happy w/that but would that be bad enough to fire Jimbo? Probably not due to the contract. That would put us right back in the OC shuffle where which we'll like be dancing to until '29-'30ish b/c I just don't see anyone willing to pay him $40m+ to go away.
Money owed per year
2024: $9,250,000
2025: $9,350,000
2026: $9,450,000
2027: $9,550,000
2028: $9,650,000
2029: $9,750,000
2030: $9,850,000
2031: $9,950,000
Money owed if fired on Jan 1 of
2024: $76,800,000
2025: $67,550,000
2026: $58,200,000
2027: $48,750,000
2028: $39,200,000
2029: $29,550,000
2030: $19,800,000
2031: $9,950,000
I had it as implode just b/c I think he's only going to last 2 years tops but I also would be surprised if we win less than 7 regular season games the next two years.
Say we go 8-4 and 7-5 the next two years and split the bowls ending up w/two 8-5 seasons. Nobody will be happy w/that but would that be bad enough to fire Jimbo? Probably not due to the contract. That would put us right back in the OC shuffle where which we'll like be dancing to until '29-'30ish b/c I just don't see anyone willing to pay him $40m+ to go away.
Money owed per year
2024: $9,250,000
2025: $9,350,000
2026: $9,450,000
2027: $9,550,000
2028: $9,650,000
2029: $9,750,000
2030: $9,850,000
2031: $9,950,000
Money owed if fired on Jan 1 of
2024: $76,800,000
2025: $67,550,000
2026: $58,200,000
2027: $48,750,000
2028: $39,200,000
2029: $29,550,000
2030: $19,800,000
2031: $9,950,000
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:27 pm to Dr RC
Jimbo 100% gets fired if he gets 8 and 7 wins the next 2 regular seasons
I don't see him even making it to 2024 if he loses 5 regular season games next year.
I don't see him even making it to 2024 if he loses 5 regular season games next year.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:00 pm to NanosTacoRun
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Jimbo 100% gets fired if he gets 8 and 7 wins the next 2 regular seasons
This. Yes it's a ton of money, but yall underestimate how bad the BMAs want to win. They didnt sink money into a new stadium, new practice facilities, being on the forefront of NIL deals, coaching salaries, etc. to keep going 8-4. As cringy as it was (and definitely shouldnt have happend) to give fisher the blank natty trophy, there are certain expectations despite the rant claiming otherwise that we are happy with 8-4 seasons.
If we dont at least play for a conference championship in the next couple of seasons, I'd be willing to bet Fisher is gone, whatever the buyout is.
To answer RC's question, success is 9+ wins, this year. Next has got to be double digits and again, playing for a conference title soon.
Imploding is 7 or less wins. So really not much room between "success" and "imploding", but it is what it is. I can see where 8-4 buys Jimbo another year, but it wont be touted as a "success". Multiple 7 or 8 win years and I doubt he's still here. Interest in the program will be cratering and it's probably more of a liability to keep him around than pay the buyout and move on.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:36 pm to Texas Gentleman
The window is shrinking for Fisher. Freeze is now at Auburn, and Saban is still at Bama. On the plus side, Leach is no longer a thorn in the side of A&M. The West is insanely competitive and we need an offense that can put points on the board.
It's just that simple. If we don't score at least 35-40 pts a game, we are doomed to 8-4 or worse ...
It's just that simple. If we don't score at least 35-40 pts a game, we are doomed to 8-4 or worse ...
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:01 pm to Tridentds
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This is why I don't really see a downside with the Petrino hire. Even if Petrino is no longer the offensive master he once was it will be a big improvement over Fisher. IF it falls apart then Fisher should be done. IF it works well and Petrino moves on then Fisher will have to bring in another OC.
Right now I just don't see any scenario where Fisher resumes being the OC/play caller. This is what I really like about Petrino coming in.
Can't disagree with anything you said here. Well put
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:06 pm to Texas Gentleman
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success is 9+ wins, this year. Next has got to be double digits and again, playing for a conference title soon.
Imploding is 7 or less wins. So really not much room between "success" and "imploding", but it is what it is.
That's where we are. There's not much margin for error. The only excuses left after this past year were team youth/change needed at playcaller. Even with all of that, most games were within a score in the 4th quarter. The only way Fisher stays is if we go up from here. Plateauing at 8 wins is one more year (maybe). Another 5-loss debacle, idc how close the games are, that's his arse.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 4:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Anything less than 9 regular season wins is a failure to me. Jimbos been here too long for anything less IMO
Posted on 1/9/23 at 4:34 pm to Ag_16
Man some of y’all are super optimistic on how much shite the BMAs will be willing to eat on that contract. I don’t think he’s getting fired until it’s at least half of what it is now so long as he has a winning record.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 5:30 pm to Dr RC
Especially if we’re in a recession
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:29 pm to Projectpat
In hindsight, it looks like Garrett Riley wouldn't have been a good hire. The guy's offense doesn't seem to work against elite SEC teams.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:10 pm to Tridentds
I would be willing to hire Petrino and fire Jimbo right now. The only thing I don’t like about this is that Jimbo is still employed.
But ultimately, OC means nothing if Jimbo is still calling plays.
But ultimately, OC means nothing if Jimbo is still calling plays.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 9:42 am to Ag_16
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Anything less than 9 regular season wins is a failure to me. Jimbos been here too long for anything less IMO
This is not unreasonable.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:01 am to Dr RC
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Man some of y’all are super optimistic on how much shite the BMAs will be willing to eat on that contract. I don’t think he’s getting fired until it’s at least half of what it is now so long as he has a winning record.
Rip the bandaid analogy. What's better: saving a little money on his contract by waiting for the buyout to drop lower a few years down the road after more 5 to 8 win seasons, but also having Kyle with empty seats around and donations slowing up, or: pay the higher buyout, start fresh and re-energize the fanbase with renewed interest and support?
You act like there arent any other monetary factors besides Fisher's contract, sure its the "elephant in the room", but there's a lot more at play besides the buyout that has to be considered.
I'd argue they'd "eat more shite" by letting the shitshow continue if Fisher keeps reeling off 8-4 or worse seasons. Sometimes you just have to rip the bandaid off. And I bet that will be the route if the time comes.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:15 am to Texas Gentleman
Jimbo was hired to make the big money Ags feel like they were the biggest swinging dicks in the sport... and he's instead made them the biggest laughing stock in the college football.
7 & 8 win seasons the next two years will only heighten the embarrassment and force a move.
7 & 8 win seasons the next two years will only heighten the embarrassment and force a move.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 4:28 pm to NanosTacoRun
How is the schedule lining up this year and next? He has played a lot of freshmen this past year so he should not have to deal with "youth" anymore.
It's all about putting the talent on the team at the right spots to win almost every game. Scheme.
9 wins in the '23 schedule are going to be earned by Fisher, if he wins 9.
@ Miami
Bama
@ Tenn
@ Ole Miss
@ LSU
And lately Arky hasn't been easy, and even USCe broke Fisher, although I'd hope that having Petrino calling the plays should get those two games back on the W side of things fairly securely.
It's all about putting the talent on the team at the right spots to win almost every game. Scheme.
9 wins in the '23 schedule are going to be earned by Fisher, if he wins 9.
@ Miami
Bama
@ Tenn
@ Ole Miss
@ LSU
And lately Arky hasn't been easy, and even USCe broke Fisher, although I'd hope that having Petrino calling the plays should get those two games back on the W side of things fairly securely.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:13 am to PHLaggie
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lately Arky hasn't been easy
Lately?
We haven't had a NON-nailbiter game with them since, what, 2013?
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:16 pm to Tridentds
I don't like the hire because the man is a known POS and as of late he hasn't performed.
I won't use IMPLODE but the experiment will be over within two years. During those two years, one of two things happen: 1: We are lights out on offense and Petrino gets a HC gig. 2: we are still anemic on offense and Jimbo cuts him loose or Jimbo is shown the door.
I won't use IMPLODE but the experiment will be over within two years. During those two years, one of two things happen: 1: We are lights out on offense and Petrino gets a HC gig. 2: we are still anemic on offense and Jimbo cuts him loose or Jimbo is shown the door.
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