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re: The real candidates for Expansion
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:10 pm to BreakawayZou83
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:10 pm to BreakawayZou83
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NC State, VT, Clemson, and FSU to the SEC.
Why do you people keep saying this? The SEC doesn't want FSU or Clemson, do you not understand what matters with conference expansion? Jesus Christ.
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:23 pm to JCdawg
I agree.
I was once under a spell of wanting huge, super conferences however the SEC has provided plenty of scratch to that itch…:and some of the consequences no longer seem appetizing We should evaluate in 5 years.
I was once under a spell of wanting huge, super conferences however the SEC has provided plenty of scratch to that itch…:and some of the consequences no longer seem appetizing We should evaluate in 5 years.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:25 pm to JCdawg
Yeah I never really understood why the SEC would want Clemson and FSU when we already have the state’s flagship schools of SCAR and UF. Virginia and UNC would be great fits considering they’re flagship schools in southern states the SEC doesn’t have any schools in. Just makes too much sense to want them instead of FSU and Clemson.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:23 pm to NewZou
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Yeah I never really understood why the SEC would want Clemson and FSU when we already have the state’s flagship schools of SCAR and UF. Virginia and UNC would be great fits considering they’re flagship schools in southern states the SEC doesn’t have any schools in. Just makes too much sense to want them instead of FSU and Clemson.
Absolutely correct.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:31 pm to ClassicCityAlum
I’m sorry but sneaking Georgia in as a better institution than basically all of those Big 10 schools is not true. Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Ohio State are all ranked higher than Georgia.
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:43 pm to JCdawg
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Absolutely correct.
100% wrong. This is not 2011 when conferences were trying to get more states and increase their monthly revenue from their networks. That model is going away.
Brands are the name of the game now.
Who will tune in to see ____ play _____.
Notre Dame is #1 on the list.
Wherever ND goes, Miami & Pitt will follow.
UVA and UNC #2 and #3 because both conferences want them and they are good in all sports. They will both go B1G because of the academic side and AAU.
That makes FSU and Clemson #4 and #5 overall, but #1 and #2 on the SEC list once the top 3 say yes to the B1G.
That doesn’t mean the SEC will pull the trigger anytime soon, if ever. But if we expand, the 5 schools above will be where it starts.
All of the other options are pretty much the same imo.
NC State
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Texas Tech
If hoops are important.
Kansas
Duke
The B1G will cherry pick the PAC to fill any and all needs. The Big 12 will take leftovers from all.
You won’t agree. That’s fine, but you are wrong.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 6/21/23 at 6:58 am to JCdawg
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Why do you people keep saying this? The SEC doesn't want FSU or Clemson, do you not understand what matters with conference expansion? Jesus Christ.
The SEC would take FSU with open arms, probably Clemson as well. This final round of expansion is going to be far less focused on new media markets and conference footprint but more on adding brand name programs that create great match-ups. We’re entering the streaming era very quickly, cable is all but dead, and conferences will rely on folks paying monthly subscriptions to generate revenue.
There are only a few marquee programs left for the B1G or the SEC to absorb that are likely to drive enough viewers to increase payout per school: Clemson, FSU, Notre Dame, and Oregon. And if we’re being a bit generous, Washington and Miami.
FSU and Clemson are very obviously cultural fits that would fit neatly into the heart if the SEC footprint. And get out of here with the “gentlemen’s agreement”, if that ever did seriously matter, it died with Texas joining the conference over the tantrum thrown by Aggy. Like it or not, Clemson and FSU will be in this conference by 2036.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:22 am to BreakawayZou83
Can’t remember who but a popular reporter was on Sirius last week and mentioned Clemson isn’t the desired school people think it is.
When you look at the financials, brand value, alumni base, state resources, and academics, they are middle of the pack in the ACC
When you look at the financials, brand value, alumni base, state resources, and academics, they are middle of the pack in the ACC
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:53 am to morriscat2
This isn't particularly new.
Virginia and North Carolina are states the SEC could gain new markets by targeting. Florida and South Carolina are states the SEC already has a strong market presence in.
I don't know if the SEC wants to expand more, but if they do I don't think they double down in states. Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor, Clemson, FSU, Miami... they're behind a lot of other teams.
Virginia and North Carolina are states the SEC could gain new markets by targeting. Florida and South Carolina are states the SEC already has a strong market presence in.
I don't know if the SEC wants to expand more, but if they do I don't think they double down in states. Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor, Clemson, FSU, Miami... they're behind a lot of other teams.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:55 am to BreakawayZou83
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There are only a few marquee programs left for the B1G or the SEC to absorb that are likely to drive enough viewers to increase payout per school: Clemson, FSU, Notre Dame, and Oregon. And if we’re being a bit generous, Washington and Miami.
I think this is a misstatement.
There is only ONE marquee program left... Notre Dame.
The rest aren't.
This is why I think the only future expansion will likely be if ND joins the Big 10. And that will only involve a single other team to be paired with ND... and it could very well be Stanford.
After that it's not about marquee names because there are none. It will be about markets if anyone does. My bet is the SEC is done expanding for the next 20-30 years.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 7:57 am
Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:17 am to DawginSC
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think this is a misstatement.
There is only ONE marquee program left... Notre Dame.
The rest aren't.
This is why I think the only future expansion will likely be if ND joins the Big 10. And that will only involve a single other team to be paired with ND... and it could very well be Stanford.
After that it's not about marquee names because there are none. It will be about markets if anyone does. My bet is the SEC is done expanding for the next 20-30 years.
FSU is clearly a marquee program, and the only reason the Noles haven't been even better is because the ACC massively sucks. Despite being in the lowest paying conference in the P5, FSU clocked in at 15th nationally in athletic revenue last year. The Noles have won three national championships since 1993, 18 ACC titles since 1992, sit in one of the largest and fastest growing states in the country, and in the heart of one of the best recruiting hotbeds. The only eyebrow raising stat about FSU is their relatively weak attendance. I chalk that up to spoiled fans who are so used to winning that they aren't showing out for a bad to mediocre team the past few seasons.
Clemson and Oregon, I suppose it depends on your definition of marquee and how many schools that includes. Regardless, they are both desirable programs. I do think Clemson could quickly lose a lot of luster if its football program regresses - it doesn't have a whole lot else going on, especially since the SEC already has a flagship South Carolina program.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:18 am to BigBro
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BigBro
Y'all are making me agree with a Texas fan, a lot of you are not seeing the forest through the trees here.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:18 am to Tony Rocky Horror
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:38 am to WG_Dawg
Put Bama and Auburn in the East and formalize the divisional split from a schedule standpoint, but enter into an agreement to share bowl revenue and negotiate media contracts as a block.
Then play a seven game schedule with three P5 game requirements. One of those three must come from the sister conference but all three can't. Wins/Losses against the sister conference don't count towards winning your conference unless there's a tie and the cross conference opponents are within two positions of each other in that conference's ranking.
Or bring in some of these other schools and make it 8&2.
Alabama, Georgia, and Florida are ballasted by LSU, Texas, & Oklahoma.
Auburn and Tennessee by A&M and whichever of the Arkanssippi schools decide they want to actually be good that year. There's usually at least one.
Then play a seven game schedule with three P5 game requirements. One of those three must come from the sister conference but all three can't. Wins/Losses against the sister conference don't count towards winning your conference unless there's a tie and the cross conference opponents are within two positions of each other in that conference's ranking.
Or bring in some of these other schools and make it 8&2.
Alabama, Georgia, and Florida are ballasted by LSU, Texas, & Oklahoma.
Auburn and Tennessee by A&M and whichever of the Arkanssippi schools decide they want to actually be good that year. There's usually at least one.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:42 am to WG_Dawg
Going to ruin it. We will eventually go back to 8 team conference where everybody plays everybody then champs from each make up the playoffs
Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:52 am to Fightin Okra
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Going to ruin it. We will eventually go back to 8 team conference where everybody plays everybody then champs from each make up the playoffs
No we won't. Fans might want that, but the member schools and the conferences make far more money this way, so unless and until that changes, the era of the super conference remains.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:08 am to morriscat2
We have already expanded too much.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:23 am to WG_Dawg
The goal is to get to super conferences and the SEC is leading the way. Thrn you can have a more NFL like system. I would not be surprised if the NFL is behind these moves
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:12 am to WG_Dawg
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goshamighty we're already at fricking 16 how much more expansion is needed
I hope we don't expand again but I'm pretty certain we will, and I think UNC will be the top target.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:16 pm to jmarto1
frick the NFL. There's a reason I don't pay any attention to that plastic shite.
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