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The real candidates for Expansion
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:46 am
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:47 am to morriscat2
goshamighty we're already at fricking 16 how much more expansion is needed
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:02 am to WG_Dawg
Than we can play 7 games instead of 8
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:03 am to morriscat2
Your thread is ten years too thousand and late
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:06 pm to morriscat2
UNC and Virginia are the two schools that everyone on every message board on the web agrees would be pretty much guaranteed a spot in either the B1G or SEC. This isn’t news. FSU is the other school the two conferences would fight over. I also think the SEC would jump at a chance to take ND, despite making little sense geographically. Obviously, they are the white whale for the B1G.
There are a number of other schools that may be good fits for either the B1G (Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Miami) or the SEC (Clemson, NC State, VT), but not many that are obvious shoe-ins to whichever conference they so choose.
There are a number of other schools that may be good fits for either the B1G (Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Miami) or the SEC (Clemson, NC State, VT), but not many that are obvious shoe-ins to whichever conference they so choose.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:11 pm to WG_Dawg
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goshamighty we're already at fricking 16 how much more expansion is needed
This ends at 20. Book it. And I think it could work well there and preserve a ton of rivalries if the conference doesn’t bungle it. 4 permanent rivals + 5 rotating games. Would UGA fans be that mad about playing Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, and one of Kentucky/Vandy/Tennessee annually?
Honestly, it would fix a lot of the current problems to do this - a school like Mizzou that UGA fans don’t want as an annual rival could play OU, Arkansas, Texas, and Vanderbilt annually. No more Mizzou in the SEC East.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 1:27 pm to morriscat2
Makes complete sense.
Geographically - both in the South.
Culturally - both Southern, preppy flagship institutions that focus on research and liberal arts.
Academically - Both are historically Southern Ivies. Should fit well with the likes of Vanderbilt, UF, UGA, UT-Austin, etc. B10 can only offer Northwestern and UMich as acclaimed academic schools.
Professionally - Outside of NC/VA, most UNC / UVA alumni work in SEC states (FL, TX, GA, etc.)
Athletically - top bball (especially UNC) programs in a conference that is evolving into a top producer of March Madness bids. Regarding the gridiron, both have significant potential considering their ability to dominate lucrative recruiting markets if advantaged with SEC membership.
The remaining Southern ACC schools should partner with the B12 southern schools and rebrand as the second great Southern conference.
EAST - Clemson, FSU, Miami, VT, WVU, GT, Louisville, Duke, NC State, etc.
WEST - TCU, Baylor, OK State, Texas Tech, Houston, KU, K-State, etc.
The B10 can have the Northern ACC schools (since they seem to be so fond of Rutgers and Maryland).
I hope USC and UCLA renege and decide to stay P12. Then we can have somewhat geographically harmonious super conferences:
SEC - South
B12 / ACC rebranded - South
B10 - North (Midwest / Northeast)
P12 - West
I recognize this is unlikely to occur as conferences have already made commitments to other universities. But a man can dream.
Geographically - both in the South.
Culturally - both Southern, preppy flagship institutions that focus on research and liberal arts.
Academically - Both are historically Southern Ivies. Should fit well with the likes of Vanderbilt, UF, UGA, UT-Austin, etc. B10 can only offer Northwestern and UMich as acclaimed academic schools.
Professionally - Outside of NC/VA, most UNC / UVA alumni work in SEC states (FL, TX, GA, etc.)
Athletically - top bball (especially UNC) programs in a conference that is evolving into a top producer of March Madness bids. Regarding the gridiron, both have significant potential considering their ability to dominate lucrative recruiting markets if advantaged with SEC membership.
The remaining Southern ACC schools should partner with the B12 southern schools and rebrand as the second great Southern conference.
EAST - Clemson, FSU, Miami, VT, WVU, GT, Louisville, Duke, NC State, etc.
WEST - TCU, Baylor, OK State, Texas Tech, Houston, KU, K-State, etc.
The B10 can have the Northern ACC schools (since they seem to be so fond of Rutgers and Maryland).
I hope USC and UCLA renege and decide to stay P12. Then we can have somewhat geographically harmonious super conferences:
SEC - South
B12 / ACC rebranded - South
B10 - North (Midwest / Northeast)
P12 - West
I recognize this is unlikely to occur as conferences have already made commitments to other universities. But a man can dream.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 1:29 pm to jangalang
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Your thread is ten years too thousand and late
No it’s not. It has a new twist. Virginia and North Carolina may be preferred over Clemson and FSU which is different than expected.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 1:52 pm to morriscat2
quote:Get back to me when the ACC grant of rights is about to expire (2036). OU and Texas only managed to buy themselves out of one year of the Big XII grant of rights. I don't see anyone else doing better.
No it’s not. It has a new twist. Virginia and North Carolina may be preferred over Clemson and FSU which is different than expected
Posted on 6/20/23 at 2:06 pm to twk
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Get back to me when the ACC grant of rights is about to expire (2036)
Not necessarily. Not long ago there was the report of the "Magnificent 7" of teams wanting to torch the ACC, if they could get that up to 9 then the conference could dissolve.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 2:07 pm to morriscat2
The lust for money is the ruination of mankind.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 2:52 pm to morriscat2
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No it’s not. It has a new twist. Virginia and North Carolina may be preferred over Clemson and FSU which is different than expected.
Nobody wants another expansion.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 2:54 pm to morriscat2
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Not FSU and Clemson like everyone thought.
Anyone with a fricking brain knew it wasn't FSU and Clemson, but fricktards around here keep saying like that have no god damn reading comprehension.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 2:56 pm to morriscat2
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No it’s not. It has a new twist. Virginia and North Carolina may be preferred over Clemson and FSU which is different than expected.
No it isn't. Clemson and FSU were never on the table EVER. Why people keep saying this I have no god damn idea.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 2:58 pm to ukraine_rebel
quote:I'm skeptical that 9 is enough. ACC bylaws are silent on the issue, so you'd revert to the rules of the state of incorporation (which I think is NC -- can't remember if it's 2/3 or 3/4 required for dissolution there). I believe it's going to require at least 10 votes (not sure if ND counts as a member for these purposes or not), and I just don't see how there would be that many landing spots.
Not necessarily. Not long ago there was the report of the "Magnificent 7" of teams wanting to torch the ACC, if they could get that up to 9 then the conference could dissolve.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 3:22 pm to twk
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I'm skeptical that 9 is enough. ACC bylaws are silent on the issue, so you'd revert to the rules of the state of incorporation (which I think is NC -- can't remember if it's 2/3 or 3/4 required for dissolution there). I believe it's going to require at least 10 votes (not sure if ND counts as a member for these purposes or not), and I just don't see how there would be that many landing spots.
This is the opinion of most of the UNC board, that 7 or 8 (a majority) isn't enough to dissolve. I believe 3/4 may be necessary but no one seems to be 100% certain about this.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 3:57 pm to JCdawg
You sound very myopic, most people see the writing on the wall a break away from the ncaa is coming. To be honest there are probably sec and big ten schools that would be left out before fsu or clemson
Posted on 6/20/23 at 3:58 pm to morriscat2
Need contraction. Get rid of Vandy, Mizzou, etc.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 4:03 pm to TarHeel408
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This is the opinion of most of the UNC board, that 7 or 8 (a majority) isn't enough to dissolve. I believe 3/4 may be necessary but no one seems to be 100% certain about this.
It only happens if the B1G shifts it gaze southeastern and shuns additional PAC schools:
Notre Dame, UNC, UVA, and Miami to the B1G.
NC State, VT, Clemson, and FSU to the SEC.
GT, Louisville, Duke, and Pitt would earn more in the Big 12 than they do in the ACC currently, and I imagine the Big 12 would welcome them with open arms (since the Big 12 clearly seems to value basketball brands more than other conferences).
That's 11 schools (or 12 if Notre Dame counts). I think Boston College, Syracuse, and Wake Forest are screwed.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:09 pm to bamabaseballsec
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You sound very myopic, most people see the writing on the wall a break away from the ncaa is coming. To be honest there are probably sec and big ten schools that would be left out before fsu or clemson
I'm tired of reading "FSU and Clemson" when the SEC has 0 interest in adding either of those schools, they bring nothing to the table that the SEC doesn't already have. Again, neither of those teams bring any new markets the SEC doesn't already have. I don't know why this has to be said over and over. As far as the NCAA goes, that will probably happen at some point, but its not here yet, point is irrelevant at this juncture.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 8:10 pm
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