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Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:01 pm to Glorious
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:01 pm to Glorious
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Because Lonergan and Simpson got beat out by a guy that’s now a lacrosse player at Notre Dame
Did they get beat out?
Why were we counting on a portal QB?
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:01 pm to Funky Tide 8
So
Hurts OJT because Barnett bombed..
Tua. OJT because of limited Hurts..( who became all star at pro level)
Mac OJT because Tua was solid..
Hurts OJT because Barnett bombed..
Tua. OJT because of limited Hurts..( who became all star at pro level)
Mac OJT because Tua was solid..
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:02 pm to Night Vision
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How did we get to a point where an OJT QB was the best on the roster?
The most obvious reason would be that a highly recruited QB just didn't pan out (or multiple highly recruited QBs.) Simpson was highly rated but he simply wasn't ready by the time Bryce departed. Milroe wasn't either, but he was more ready than Simpson. This season could very well be different with Simpson breaking through.
The other is that often times at the 4 year college level, there is a vacuum when you have to replace a great QB. The idea that you can just plug in a superstar every single season to replace a multi-year starter is not realistic.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:03 pm to Night Vision
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Did they get beat out?
Clearly.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:03 pm to Night Vision
I guess it shows how good of a coach Saban was to take OTJ training QB’s and win championships with them.
Just think… he took an athlete made him the starting QB and beat the best team in the country in the SECCG. And after that just came up a little short in the playoffs having a chance to play for a NC with an athlete as the starting QB. Pretty impressive
Just think… he took an athlete made him the starting QB and beat the best team in the country in the SECCG. And after that just came up a little short in the playoffs having a chance to play for a NC with an athlete as the starting QB. Pretty impressive
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:05 pm to Funky Tide 8
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The idea that you can just plug in a superstar every single season to replace a multi-year starter is not realistic.
I haven't seen anyone suggest that.
Someone that can read defenses and make accurate throws shouldn't be too much to expect at our level.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:06 pm to Funky Tide 8
Did Hurts beat Tua out?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:09 pm to Night Vision
Absolutely…
Hurts was returning SEC offensive player of the year and Tua had never taken a snap of collegiate ball. Now by the end of the season, Tua was definitely better!!
Hurts was returning SEC offensive player of the year and Tua had never taken a snap of collegiate ball. Now by the end of the season, Tua was definitely better!!
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:10 pm to In Hsv
Tua was better when he stepped on campus.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:16 pm to Night Vision
No proof only opinion
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:20 pm to hwyman108
Would have been more impressive if he'd had another non-project QB ready to go.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:35 pm to Crimson Wraith
All college football players are projects.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:52 pm to Night Vision
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Hsv
Tua was better when he stepped on campus.
That's not what practice observers said. Tua was said to be throwing lots of interceptions in practice early on. The talent was obviously there, but he had to make the adjustment to college speed, and refine his judgement.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:04 pm to Night Vision
quote:Saban has always said that. It was not some idea he floated last year to justify starting Milroe, like some claim. Chip Kelly just said the same thing about the OSU QB situation. He said the players "always know". I don't know that I agree with that, but I would go with them over fans.
Saban was the one that always said the QB had to "win the team."
Some think that I'm a "Milroe cheerleader" but I would personally prefer Simpson because IMO, JM has the worst instincts of any major college QB I can remember. No feel in the pocket, doesn't take advantage of running opportunities, can't operate the read option, and doesn't read the field well. But to continue to harp on the same things, to blame everything on him, to invent conspiracy theories about the team, to not give the coaches the benefit of the doubt, to never or rarely give him credit for the good things he brings and does - it is tough to take. Yes, coaches don't always get it right but they have to consider many things of which the fans are not aware.
To publicly tear down an Alabama player is unsavory business - especially one who is such an enthusiastic and good representative of the program.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:59 pm to tattoo
Discussing facts is not tearing down.
They are now paid to play on top of it
If they can't take that they should run home to Mommy.
They are now paid to play on top of it
If they can't take that they should run home to Mommy.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:02 pm to Crimson Wraith
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They are now paid to play on top of it
If they can't take that they should run home to Mommy.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:47 pm to tattoo
quote:Haven't seen that video of the Penn St QB have you?
IMO, JM has the worst instincts of any major college QB I can remember.
The problem is that for all his flaws we were one play away from playing for it all. It's no different than the QB on the bench is always better than the starter trope. People stuck on what ifs. The kid's in Crimson, I'll back him until he graduates or coach puts someone else in. Doesn't mean I won't criticize him. Hell, Julio couldn't catch an easy pass to save his life in college but could do a double reverse somersault, land on one foot while snacking on a Little Debby for a TD. All part of the fun.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:17 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Discussing facts is not tearing down.
I am all about discussing facts, but there are plenty of of non-facts, and straight up made-up shite presented when we are debating about Milroe.
Also, continuously harping solely on negative aspects, and completely disregarding anything positive is not very honest.
The anti-Milroe talk amped back up after the spring game, and Its not like you can really glean much from him throwing 9 passes in a spring game, and its not like he looked bad passing the ball. Simpson did look more poised and confident than last year, which is great. This is both players' 3rd offensive system/coach in as many years, and they've both had just a couple of months to learn it. I like what we've seen from both so far.
I can't imagine anyone on here will be shocked, surprised, or upset if Simpson wins the job. If Milroe starts and is as unimproved as many of you think that he will be, then we will have Simpson to fall back on, and you guys can celebrate how right you all were. Until then, its just beating a dead horse to a pulp.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:06 pm to Funky Tide 8
And many either forget or never knew or simply ignored the fact that Ty only had 7 1 vs 1 plays in the A-Day game, Milroe the other 21. JM also had 4 of his 5 incompletions dropped and had one throw-away. I.e., he COULD have been 8 for 8.
Hopefully, JM will make significant progress in his areas of need and Ty will succeed him for 2 great years. Otherwise, CKD will make any necessary changes.
It's not simply the criticism it's the nature of it - it is different than any I've seen in decades of observing Alabama football.
Hopefully, JM will make significant progress in his areas of need and Ty will succeed him for 2 great years. Otherwise, CKD will make any necessary changes.
It's not simply the criticism it's the nature of it - it is different than any I've seen in decades of observing Alabama football.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:55 pm to tattoo
A few things:
1. Tua wasn’t better when he stepped on campus. I love Tua but I went to those early practices and he was all over the place. Like a deer learning to walk. He had all the talent and you could see it. But he had to be refined and he was over the course of the entire season and Bam we won.
2. I don’t think enough emphasis has been put on how average our OL was when we started the season last year. Besides the center we had real issues. Any good QB typically has a good OL. It’s just the truth of the matter. Regardless of if it’s Milroe or Ty.
1. Tua wasn’t better when he stepped on campus. I love Tua but I went to those early practices and he was all over the place. Like a deer learning to walk. He had all the talent and you could see it. But he had to be refined and he was over the course of the entire season and Bam we won.
2. I don’t think enough emphasis has been put on how average our OL was when we started the season last year. Besides the center we had real issues. Any good QB typically has a good OL. It’s just the truth of the matter. Regardless of if it’s Milroe or Ty.
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