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re: Worst officiated games this year
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:00 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:00 pm to DawgsLife
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Dude. It spells it out for you. It clearly says if he has extended hands it is no foul. It right there.
You are ignoring the spirit of the rule and the word forcible.
In the interpretation, the hand block didn’t include the word forcible, which implies it’s about a non forcible block with the hand, which is what OL and WR often do.
This hit was forcible and is the type of block they want penalized. It was more in line with c).
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:03 pm to djsdawg
Like I said. I am not getting into a long drawn out argument over it. I gave you the rule. Nothing goes into detail as to how far the hands have to be extended, or how hard the hit has to be...they just don't do that. The rule said an exception was if the hands were extended and the SC players hands were extended. If you choose to not go by the rule then that doesn't affect me in any way.
The rules are there for a purpose and people can argue..."But it doesn't say...." or stuff like that.
The rules are there for a purpose and people can argue..."But it doesn't say...." or stuff like that.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:29 pm to DawgsLife
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I gave you the rule.
The rule says forcible hits are not allowed.
The spirit of the rule is to protect from forcible blindside hits.
You provided interpretations of the rule:
The ones that involved forcible hits are fouls.
The ones that didn’t involve forcible hits are not fouls.
This hit was forcible. Thats the relevant point. Hands, feet, butt, fist, shoulder. None can be used forcibly on a blindside block.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 11:18 pm to djsdawg
The ref gives a specific arm signal for a blind side block penalty. He never gave the signal for a blind side block. You don't need audio for that.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 11:20 pm to Cockeee Don
I guess that we are assuming he called blind side block, when he only called an unspecified personal foul?
Posted on 12/21/24 at 11:20 pm to UFFan
Whichever game my favorite team lost
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:01 am to Cockeee Don
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I guess that we are assuming he called blind side block, when he only called an unspecified personal foul?
Yes, safe to assume considering that is what happened on the field
Posted on 12/22/24 at 1:11 am to MikeHuntVFL
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Alabama at Tennessee - that game should’ve been a Vols blowout but the officials kept them in that game
you mean the 7 point win where the vol db was holding the 17 year old receiver guy not once, but twice on successive plays?
i ain't saying Bama would have won or lost, but it was an extremely shitty job by the refs.
was it the worst? Nah, probably LSU/SC or GA/UTa
Posted on 12/22/24 at 1:20 am to wertheimer
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Go back and see what happened to Aaron Murray in the SECCG in 2012 against Bama when he got flattened by Damion Square.
A thing of beauty!
And the #1 reason I say USC was hosed on that play. If he can't be hit, he should have to run AWAY from the action.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 2:28 am to djsdawg
This is the definition and rule concerning Blind Side block and penalty from the 2023 NCAA Football Rule Book Page. Definition on Page FR 29; Penalty on Page FR-99 (Link: LINK ):
DEFINITION:
"Blind-Side Block
ARTICLE 7 A blind-side block is an open field block against an opponent
that is initiated from outside the opponent’s field of vision, or otherwise in
such a manner that the opponent cannot reasonably defend themselves against the block"
PENALTY:
"Blind-Side Block
ARTICLE 18 No player shall deliver a blind-side block by attacking an
opponent with forcible contact (Exceptions: (1) the runner; (2) a receiver in
the act of attempting to make a catch) (Note: In addition, if this action meets all the elements of targeting, it is a blind-slide block with targeting (Rule 9-1-3 and 9-1-4). (AR 9-1-18-I)"
Neither this definition nor rule specify which part of the body the offender uses, nor which part of the offended opponent is struck. The key element is forcible contact from the blind side. In viewing the video there is contact by the SC player with both hands to the helmet of the LSU QB. Forcible or not? That is in the eyes of the beholder. The penalty is 15 yards and a first down since it was a live-action play. So the ultimate issue is whether it was forcible. The ref apparently thought it was.
Be happy to read anything FROM the rule book that says otherwise.
DEFINITION:
"Blind-Side Block
ARTICLE 7 A blind-side block is an open field block against an opponent
that is initiated from outside the opponent’s field of vision, or otherwise in
such a manner that the opponent cannot reasonably defend themselves against the block"
PENALTY:
"Blind-Side Block
ARTICLE 18 No player shall deliver a blind-side block by attacking an
opponent with forcible contact (Exceptions: (1) the runner; (2) a receiver in
the act of attempting to make a catch) (Note: In addition, if this action meets all the elements of targeting, it is a blind-slide block with targeting (Rule 9-1-3 and 9-1-4). (AR 9-1-18-I)"
Neither this definition nor rule specify which part of the body the offender uses, nor which part of the offended opponent is struck. The key element is forcible contact from the blind side. In viewing the video there is contact by the SC player with both hands to the helmet of the LSU QB. Forcible or not? That is in the eyes of the beholder. The penalty is 15 yards and a first down since it was a live-action play. So the ultimate issue is whether it was forcible. The ref apparently thought it was.
Be happy to read anything FROM the rule book that says otherwise.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 4:08 am to BigNastyTiger417
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You can’t de-cleat a defenseless player who is not capable of making the play.
Would you like to keep up that narrative, or would you like to start dealing in FACTS?
Posted on 12/22/24 at 5:36 am to STATEofMIND
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USC LSU has to be on here
Not really. I mean there was a phantom PI call fairly late, and they didn't call jumping over the block shield leading to a SCAR TD. But it was mostly fine.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:40 am to Lonnie Utah
It was a fact. Watch the play. Tell your player to not blind side someone who can’t make the play
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:44 am to DawgsLife
You need to watch the game bud. It was far from a flop. It literally was a correctly called penalty. Rules are rules
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:49 am to Marktastic86
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SEC officials went from being some of the best in the country the past couple of decades to probably second from the bottom
Only an Alabama fan could suggest this and actually believe it.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:49 am to UFFan
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the most obvious- UGA vs Georgia Tech.
Meh probably not the worse, but yes, the no calls on their o-line holding was pretty egregious
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:54 am to Barbellthor
Everybody forgets that play and that was crucial to the outcome also. That was the worst call of the game. There was absolutely no player even capable of getting offensive PI on that play if you watch the replay
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:06 am to djsdawg
Shouldn't have to assume what a penalty call is for.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:28 am to EulerRules
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Neither this definition nor rule specify which part of the body the offender uses, nor which part of the offended opponent is struck. The key element is forcible contact from the blind side. In viewing the video there is contact by the SC player with both hands to the helmet of the LSU QB. Forcible or not? That is in the eyes of the beholder. The penalty is 15 yards and a first down since it was a live-action play. So the ultimate issue is whether it was forcible. The ref apparently thought it was.
Yep, and hard to argue with the call as the ref saw the qb get nailed to the turf after a rough hit.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:03 pm to Cockeee Don
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Shouldn't have to assume what a penalty call is for.
I do agree
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