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re: Why do the majority say Florida football started under Spurrier…
Posted on 5/12/24 at 2:54 pm to bigDgator
Posted on 5/12/24 at 2:54 pm to bigDgator
So when teams are going back and adding championships to their resumes from years gone by, you aren't ever going to hear shite from Florida as long as Spurrier is around. 
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Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:11 pm to Oklahomey
Florida will have an undefeated season one of these days. I guess that’ll be post-Spurrier.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:17 pm to GoldenDawg
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Spurrier single-handedly turned the Georgia-Florida rivalry around. Brutally, thoroughly, and with great joy.
It's been turned around a few times.
UGA dominated until 1951. UGA started off 23-5-1
Bob Woodruff for UF caused the first turnaround. UGA went 10-2 in the next 12 meetings.
Then came Vince Dooley. While Graves for UF kept it even for a while (3-3-1), Dooley stamped his authority on the series once Dickey came in for UF (15-4).
Then Spurrier came in (with Urban Meyer a bit at the end). UF went 18-3.
That ended when Meyer left and there was a brief period of parity (UGA and UF went 3-3 in the next 6).
THen in year 2 at UGA, Kirby started exerting his will (6-1 in the last 7).
There really have only been two relatively brief periods of parity in the series. It's best characterized as the two teams exchanging periods of dominance.
While Woodruff and Graves for UF didn't win tons of titles (or any really), they did turn the tide against UGA and give UF their first taste of success in the series. But actually winning things without cheating, that started with Spurrier (and was only really followed up with Meyer).. Spurrier and Meyer are about 98% of UF's historical success.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:33 pm to Oklahomey
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Do the major NCAA infractions overshadow 1984-1985?
These days this may not seem like a big deal. But back in the day such a thing was a HUGE deal.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 4:45 pm to Oklahomey
It’s true Florida football didn’t really become a thing officially until the 90s although they showed some promise in the 80s too.
It’s simple demographics. Until about 1970 air conditioning wasn’t a thing and Florida had a low population. Then as air conditioning became normal, more people were able to move there to the point that it’s the 3rd most populated state in the country now.
The fact that Florida football was an non-factor for many of its early years really shouldn’t be the expectation of it now considering how much figured a population is now with more options to recruit and develop local talent.
It is true that it has regressed to pre-spurrier pre-air conditioned times because the UAA is so incompetent, And it is a popular excuse that many Disney gators use to justify the poor performance that historically Florida has been a mediocre program besides 90-2009.
I’m not saying it should be a dominant force like the spurrier and Meyer years but the fact it’s so bad now is absolutely due to the corruption of the uaa
It’s simple demographics. Until about 1970 air conditioning wasn’t a thing and Florida had a low population. Then as air conditioning became normal, more people were able to move there to the point that it’s the 3rd most populated state in the country now.
The fact that Florida football was an non-factor for many of its early years really shouldn’t be the expectation of it now considering how much figured a population is now with more options to recruit and develop local talent.
It is true that it has regressed to pre-spurrier pre-air conditioned times because the UAA is so incompetent, And it is a popular excuse that many Disney gators use to justify the poor performance that historically Florida has been a mediocre program besides 90-2009.
I’m not saying it should be a dominant force like the spurrier and Meyer years but the fact it’s so bad now is absolutely due to the corruption of the uaa
This post was edited on 5/12/24 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 5/12/24 at 6:08 pm to theCAW
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Until about 1970 air conditioning wasn’t a thing
My dad fondly tells me this story... he was in the first graduating class at coral park high school. They were the first school to have air conditioning in south Florida. That was 1963 when they opened up, I believe. Never thought hearing that eleventy times growing up would ever payoff.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 6:41 pm to Oklahomey
Charley Pell started to build Florida football but it never really took off until th 90's. I don't think anybody thought Spurrier would do what he did but the rise of Florida, Florida St and Miami coincided with the great Florida migration In 1950 Florida had 2.7 million residents. In 1990 Florida had grown to 21 million. Lots of kids at that time were staying in state at all schools so its not just coincidence that the Florida schools got good with the massive boom in people moving there.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 6:58 pm to Oklahomey
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Why do the majority say Florida football started under Spurrier…
Spurrier himself made it memorable. People remember him more than his seasons there.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:41 pm to John Milner
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The history of Auburn’ ncaa trouble is far more egregious than UF
Kinda like "staring down the barrel of a gun" and came very close to getting the death penalty NCAA troubles?
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:52 pm to lsupride87
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This is a serious question?
Sec football titles pre spurrier
1. Bama-19
Not trying to derail the thread, but the only reason uat has that many SEC titles is they played an extra SEC game with Vanderbilt due to their "rivalry."
A team could beat them on the field and lose the SEC title due to uat's higher win percentage.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:54 pm to MillerLiteTime
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The 80s were the peak of NCAA cheating.
And a great time to be alive.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:55 pm to au7342
Other teams could have scheduled an extra SEC game instead of playing 70's nobody's like Clemson.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:10 pm to theballguy
Or Vanderbilt? Not much of a rivalry when the scores are 60 something to 3, second stringers are playing before halftime and scrubs after the half.
IIRC, the uat Vanderbilt game was an exception as uat claimed it was a "rivalry." Unfortunately, my old family friend and SEC commissioner is not around to 'splain it to you anymore.
IIRC, the uat Vanderbilt game was an exception as uat claimed it was a "rivalry." Unfortunately, my old family friend and SEC commissioner is not around to 'splain it to you anymore.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:18 pm to Oklahomey
because no one knows who Charlie Pell and Galen Hall are?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:25 pm to Oklahomey
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and quite possibly ignore the success from 1983-1985? Do the major NCAA infractions overshadow 1984-1985?
The best team money can buy.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:54 pm to Oklahomey
OK, but the real question... When did it end? because it is dead now... I guess you could blame it all on "No Bowl Billy", but
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:57 pm to John Milner
quote:You have zero fricking room to talk. Auburn's last probation was bc Alabama paid our player, Ramsey to rat out Pat Dye and record him asking for money.
The history of Auburn’ ncaa trouble is far more egregious than UF
Alabama has been on probation and has had entire seasons wiped from their existence more than any other program in the SEC.
Alabama fans need to shut their fricking mouth when it comes to cheating, Alabama is the worst offender of them all and everyone knows it
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:16 pm to Oklahomey
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and quite possibly ignore the success from 1983-1985? Do the major NCAA infractions overshadow 1984-1985?
Gators went 27-4-3 during those three years. 1984 was an SEC title season despite being vacated several months later. While on probation, Florida was still eligible for AP rankings. They were #1 in November before loss to Georgia. Had UF won out, they could have won their first national title while on probation.
Although I was way too young to grasp anything in the 80s, based on history, I feel as if 1983-1985 Florida doesn’t get the credit it deserves despite the circumstances.
1983 OC Mike Shanahan - graduate assistant national champion at OU, D-II national champion as an assistant, Super Bowl champion as an assistant, two-time Super Bowl champion head coach.
Galen Hall - OC at OU for the 1974-1975 national championship teams. The 1974 Sooners were on major probation.
The main reason the rest of the conference considers the beginning of the U of F football program as the year Spurrier was hired is because Gator fans will tell you that anything that occurred prior to that never actually happened. They will also tell you there has only been college football a few seasons since Spurrier drug up on them. They are universally adamant about this....and given that most SEC fans are brought up in the south and thus in the only correct manner known we do not go out of way to upset the feeble minded among us, bless their hearts.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:20 pm to Tideroller
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Overrated? Heck no, he was good at it.
He did a lot of it, he wasn't overly successful at it unless getting caught was the plan then he was famously successful at it...
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