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The media and casual fans narrative around the 3-3-5 defense?

Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:23 pm
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:23 pm
Why is it being made out that TCU runs some kind never before seen perplexing defensive scheme when it’s been around for half a century and is just a variation on a traditional nickel packages that uses a 3rd safety instead of a corner? In fact most SEC and big time schools run a variation of this defense a good amount and it’s where the Star position essentially came from.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 3:24 pm
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:26 pm to
It is a pretty common defense. I don’t get it either.
Posted by Marty Dawg
Ball Ground
Member since Oct 2020
1249 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:26 pm to
It's mainly because they are bored since the spread is 12.5 and there really aren't any other interesting narratives to push other than "David vs Goliath" etc.
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:26 pm to
It’s a talking point

It’s why you you hear “2 high shell coverage” repeated so much. Someone says it, and the zombies repeat it
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:30 pm to
UGA, Alabama, LSU, and many many other teams run it all the time using hybrid safety/linebackers we’ve come to call Star. It’s rise in usage isn’t remotely new either it started in the early 2000s as a way to combat the rise in pass attempts and adoption of air raid concepts.

Is it because TCU runs a more traditional true 3-3-5 (mostly because they simply don’t have a talent to play a roving star position) that we are supposed to be in awe of it?
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Mstate
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
10114 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:43 pm to
That’s what we’ve been running under Arnett. I like it a lot, very unique blitz packages that confuse the QB but you better have some damn good defensive lineman or you will get run all over
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:46 pm to
They have to focus on something to hype up the viewers, I suppose.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:49 pm to
I listened to the Fiesta Bowl on ESPN radio. The announcers seemed to be mesmerized by the TCU alignment. Kept slobbering over it for the entire first quarter.
Posted by Bronco Calrissian
Member since Dec 2019
592 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:49 pm to
The media should push the Hypnotoad narrative and from there do a tie in to benefits of DMT.
Posted by multicampus
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:51 pm to
Presuming Washington is able to play, the 3-3-5 will not match up well with bunch packages with Washington/Bowers/Delp.

Two TE sets are going to be hard for TCU to matchup with as well.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:57 pm to
Yes because in their variation of 3-3-5, it’s most traditional and base alignment,2 of those 3 safeties and the strong side and Mike linebackers have to come immediately downhill like they’re shot out of a rocket and hope to sneak through gaps in the run game, which UGAs Oline (one of if not the best in the country) and our TE won’t allow. Our size at TE and the ability to run any route package out of 11 and 12 personal resulting in us to not have to make substitutions while keeping the entire playbook open is going to eat them alive.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 3:59 pm
Posted by makersmark1
earth
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:04 pm to
WVU ran it decades ago.
Posted by multicampus
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:05 pm to
Additionally, I'm not worried about TCU's defense stopping UGA.

The game hinges on whether UGA can pressure the TCU QB or not.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
25057 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:08 pm to
If you have good coaching and someone capable of filling out the two most important roles in it, both downhill and coverage safeties, it’s a great idea for less talented teams to take on more talented offenses. Much more so than just coming out in bad 4-3 or 3-4 and getting mashed. But again, it’s not new not even remotely, lol.

And it really only works when that more talented team doesn’t have 2 definite maybe 3 future 1st round tight ends and amazing an o line that could simply line up and run it 50 times and destroy you or play action at their literal leisure for major chunk plays.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 4:11 pm
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
20933 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:11 pm to
Does Michigan not face it? K State was able to block it and even push tcu defenders around. Just wondering if Michigan doesn't face it enough to properly game plan for it.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
25057 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:15 pm to
Mich gameplan was absolutely rock solid outside of stupid trick plays. They couldn’t overcome a 28 point handicap on 4 gift wrapped turnovers. Which yes the 3-3-5 does thrive and maybe even depend on turnovers but none of the 4 were a result of Mich failure to gameplan or TCU gameplanning well. If I was feeling generous I’d give TCU 1 out of 4 and that was one of McCarthys pick 6s where the defender did make a solid play on the ball but JJ stared the receiver down like a deer for 4 seconds first.

All of that and they still almost came back and scored like 34 or something in the second half alone. They were absolutely ready for this never before seen defense.

I’d bet a lot of money and feel nearly certain they intended to do what you say k state did and impose their will on TCU but had to switch on the fly and air it out when they got down from dumbassery
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 4:17 pm
Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:17 pm to
Good points
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:26 pm to
Yeah it is a weird narrative.

A 3 Stack is becoming more and more common.
Posted by HotRock
Starkville,MS
Member since Aug 2018
524 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:33 pm to
It does cause blocking g assignment confusion since they almost always rush more than 3 and come at all angles with the DL even dropping in coverage at times.

It’s supposed to be less effective vs the run but if the DBs are effective tacklers and you have DTS that plug up the middle, it can be good there you.

And it gives up big plays from time to time when they rush 5 and don’t get to the QB.

Bottom line is with two weeks to prepare and GA has seen it, (MS State runs it) it should not be as big a factor as it was for Michigan.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
25057 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:38 pm to
Yes all of that is true but my original intention of this thread wasn’t to comment on the effectiveness of a 3-3-5 merely to call attention to the ludicrous talk everywhere heralding it as some sort of recent new innovation no one ever thought of before.

That said football is a game of matchups a less talented team running a true 3-3-5 (as opposed to its multiple variations utilizing a Star UGA and 40 other teams use) is an absolutely horrible matchup for the personal and scheme of an offense like UGA.
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