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Posted on 6/10/19 at 3:03 pm to Leto II
Posted on 6/10/19 at 3:03 pm to Leto II
"The 1993 Auburn Tigers football team represented Auburn University in the 1993 NCAA Division I-A football season. Under first-year head coach Terry Bowden, the team went undefeated with a record of 11–0 and finished #4 in the AP Poll. Due to NCAA probation, Auburn was banned from TV and post-season play, and suffered reduced scholarships."
Yep!...I reckon they DID!
Yep!...I reckon they DID!
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Posted on 6/10/19 at 3:16 pm to coachcrisp
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Yep!...I reckon they DID
Bowden's little tale, nitwit.
Or did the NCAA go back in time in the Delorean and impose the sanctions on the 1993 team based on his story? Tard.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 6/10/19 at 3:40 pm to Leto II
I'm an auburn fan but, I believe in honesty so:
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Interview with Terry Bowden April 24, 2001, at his Loachapoka ranch.
Also present was Paul Davis. After our interview, Bowden was expecting a visit from Dr. Muse that same day at his ranch. Former Auburn University football coach Terry Bowden says the program he inherited in 1993 included an elaborate system of paying star high school players up to $15,000 to sign with Auburn and $600 per month while on the team.
In a lengthy interview from the ranch he still owns in Loachapoka, Bowden alleged that the ?pay-for-play? system was orchestrated by powerful AU Board of Trustees member Bobby Lowder and carried out by former assistant coach Wayne Hall.
Bowden said the corruption extended to former head coach Pat Dye, and included $30,000 to Atlanta attorneys for Gene Jelks in order to sustain the former University of Alabama player while he leveled charges of wrongdoing in the Crimson Tide program.
Bowden said he learned of the major NCAA infractions within days of being named Auburn ?s head coach, but kept quiet while trying to clean up the program from within.? I broke the rules,? Bowden said. ?I told Wayne Hall to pay it off to the players we already had and it will never happen again.
I was hiding a dirty secret.? Bowden said the payment of players can be traced to Lowder, who Bowden said is the unquestioned leader of the AU athletic department.? Nothing was done without Lowder knowing.? Wayne Hall and Pat Dye paid $30,000 for lawyers in Atlanta to keep Gene Jelks talking.
This came from the money that had been used to pay Auburn players.In 1991 when I was at Samford, Wayne Hall called to ask about a job for Katherine Lowder at Samford. Bobby Lowder then called and he said he would contribute money to Samford equal to Katherine?s salary as long as we didn?t tell her where the money came from. Katherine and my wife became good friends.
Then the Eric Ramsey thing hit. One day Katherine sticks her head in my office door and says, ?Dye is leaving and my dad wants you to be coach at Auburn .? Dye resigned a week later. Lowder made him resign because Lowder was sure Auburn was going to get the death penalty if he didn?t resign.
I met with Lowder, Mike McCarter and Ruel Russell at Ruel?s office in Birmingham . They asked me all the questions, and I thought it was a job interview. Then they said, we need to get you an interview. They got John Montgomery Sr. to officially recommend me to be interviewed. The night before the interview, Lowder told me ?here?s how the interview will go.?
This was three hours on the phone like a lawyer prepping his client. There were six candidates - Larry Smith, Mack Brown, Dick Sheridan, Pat Sullivan, Wayne Hall and me. Everyone agreed that whoever the coach was going to be, the decision had to be unanimous. I think Lowder wanted Wayne Hall, but he knew he couldn?t get him approved. I was the backup.
I was the last to interview, then the committee immediately took a vote that day. Somebody was opposed to every candidate until they voted on me last. That?s how I got the job. Lowder said he wanted me to hire Wayne Hall as an assistant.
Tommy (Bowden, Terry?s brother and a member of the Pat Dye staff) told me that if you wanted anything done you gotta go through Hall. My second day on the job (athletic director Mike) Lude said ?you can?t hire Hall.? But then I understand Lowder called and said that if I couldn?t hire Hall we will find a new president.
So I hired Wayne Hall. One week on the job, Hall came in with a ledger of players who have been paid, who paid the money, how much money and when it was paid. He said we?ve still got 9-12 players that we?re paying $600 per month.
We paid then $12,000-$15,000 to sign. We sign about four every year that we pay.(Former assistant coach Rodney) Garner paid most of the players. He was paid when he was a player at Auburn.(Stacey) Danley is the assistant compliance guy, and he was paid when he was a player. I broke the rules. I said pay it off, and it will never happen again.
Hall said ?OK, but you will change your mind.? Katherine came to Auburn as
my assistant, but she worked for Colonial. We were real close. I told
Lowder ?We have cash all over.? Lowder said ?I told Wayne not to collect more than we had to have to pay the players.? Wayne had a safe in his house wherehe kept the money. Within two weeks of me being hired they told me about paying Jelks.
Nothing was done without Lowder knowing. I will go under oath
and say that Lowder looked me in the eyes and said, ?I didn?t want Wayne to collect more money than we needed to pay the players.? I was hiding a dirty secret. We were paying (star running back and current Washington Redskin) Steve Davis and his cousin the fullback.
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Interview with Terry Bowden April 24, 2001, at his Loachapoka ranch.
Also present was Paul Davis. After our interview, Bowden was expecting a visit from Dr. Muse that same day at his ranch. Former Auburn University football coach Terry Bowden says the program he inherited in 1993 included an elaborate system of paying star high school players up to $15,000 to sign with Auburn and $600 per month while on the team.
In a lengthy interview from the ranch he still owns in Loachapoka, Bowden alleged that the ?pay-for-play? system was orchestrated by powerful AU Board of Trustees member Bobby Lowder and carried out by former assistant coach Wayne Hall.
Bowden said the corruption extended to former head coach Pat Dye, and included $30,000 to Atlanta attorneys for Gene Jelks in order to sustain the former University of Alabama player while he leveled charges of wrongdoing in the Crimson Tide program.
Bowden said he learned of the major NCAA infractions within days of being named Auburn ?s head coach, but kept quiet while trying to clean up the program from within.? I broke the rules,? Bowden said. ?I told Wayne Hall to pay it off to the players we already had and it will never happen again.
I was hiding a dirty secret.? Bowden said the payment of players can be traced to Lowder, who Bowden said is the unquestioned leader of the AU athletic department.? Nothing was done without Lowder knowing.? Wayne Hall and Pat Dye paid $30,000 for lawyers in Atlanta to keep Gene Jelks talking.
This came from the money that had been used to pay Auburn players.In 1991 when I was at Samford, Wayne Hall called to ask about a job for Katherine Lowder at Samford. Bobby Lowder then called and he said he would contribute money to Samford equal to Katherine?s salary as long as we didn?t tell her where the money came from. Katherine and my wife became good friends.
Then the Eric Ramsey thing hit. One day Katherine sticks her head in my office door and says, ?Dye is leaving and my dad wants you to be coach at Auburn .? Dye resigned a week later. Lowder made him resign because Lowder was sure Auburn was going to get the death penalty if he didn?t resign.
I met with Lowder, Mike McCarter and Ruel Russell at Ruel?s office in Birmingham . They asked me all the questions, and I thought it was a job interview. Then they said, we need to get you an interview. They got John Montgomery Sr. to officially recommend me to be interviewed. The night before the interview, Lowder told me ?here?s how the interview will go.?
This was three hours on the phone like a lawyer prepping his client. There were six candidates - Larry Smith, Mack Brown, Dick Sheridan, Pat Sullivan, Wayne Hall and me. Everyone agreed that whoever the coach was going to be, the decision had to be unanimous. I think Lowder wanted Wayne Hall, but he knew he couldn?t get him approved. I was the backup.
I was the last to interview, then the committee immediately took a vote that day. Somebody was opposed to every candidate until they voted on me last. That?s how I got the job. Lowder said he wanted me to hire Wayne Hall as an assistant.
Tommy (Bowden, Terry?s brother and a member of the Pat Dye staff) told me that if you wanted anything done you gotta go through Hall. My second day on the job (athletic director Mike) Lude said ?you can?t hire Hall.? But then I understand Lowder called and said that if I couldn?t hire Hall we will find a new president.
So I hired Wayne Hall. One week on the job, Hall came in with a ledger of players who have been paid, who paid the money, how much money and when it was paid. He said we?ve still got 9-12 players that we?re paying $600 per month.
We paid then $12,000-$15,000 to sign. We sign about four every year that we pay.(Former assistant coach Rodney) Garner paid most of the players. He was paid when he was a player at Auburn.(Stacey) Danley is the assistant compliance guy, and he was paid when he was a player. I broke the rules. I said pay it off, and it will never happen again.
Hall said ?OK, but you will change your mind.? Katherine came to Auburn as
my assistant, but she worked for Colonial. We were real close. I told
Lowder ?We have cash all over.? Lowder said ?I told Wayne not to collect more than we had to have to pay the players.? Wayne had a safe in his house wherehe kept the money. Within two weeks of me being hired they told me about paying Jelks.
Nothing was done without Lowder knowing. I will go under oath
and say that Lowder looked me in the eyes and said, ?I didn?t want Wayne to collect more money than we needed to pay the players.? I was hiding a dirty secret. We were paying (star running back and current Washington Redskin) Steve Davis and his cousin the fullback.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 3:41 pm to Your Stupid
It took about two years to get it all cleaned up. Most the guys we were paying weren?t any good and weren?t helping us win games. Steve Davis was the exception.
HERE IS HOW IT WORKS fifty to 60 men give $5,000 per year. Wayne would collect it. These are all good men. They didn?t ask questions. The coach tells them that everybody cheats so we have to. My first two years we went 11-0 and 9-0-1.
My third year, (assistants Jimbo) Fisher and (Rick) Trickett said, ?Hall is on the phone a lot with Lowder.? I thought he was going back to cheating. I told Hall that when the season was over he needed to move on.
I told Garner that I was taking him off coaching for a year. That was the beginning of the end for me. Jimmy Rane was in on all of this. He is high maintenance. Three current Board of Trustees members gave cash to players - Rane, Spina and McWhorter.
Jimmy is a wannabe, a jock sniffer, a loose cannon. He wants to be involved in everything. After I fired Wayne , (athletic director David) Housel came on. I don?t dislike David, but David would get his feelings hurt if I called Lowder.
I told David what Wayne was doing. Lowder said (of Housel) ?He?s not a good AD, but he?s my AD.? David Dideon compliance guy, Jay Jacobs parking passes, Tim Jackson tickets. All are GAF members. Gerald Leschuck was keeping Lowder informed.
By my last year I?m having my house checked for bugs. Danny Rane (son of Jimmy Rane and a walk-on Auburn player) was giving our practice tapes to Mississippi State , our opponent. Tommy Tuberville had been promised the job if we lost to Alabama in the game when we kicked the field goal here to win.
After that season, I thought about taking the University of Texas job, but (Governor Fob) James was getting rid of Lowder. Then Lowder stayed on the Board and I was stuck. I thought then that I needed to win one more year and get out.
When I got here Lowder said don?t talk to Muse, he?s weak and his wife is a n----r lover. Lowder told me John Denson was trying to kill him. The last week I was coach: Monday - The Huntsville Tmes runs a story that says an undisclosed sources says that Bowden has lost the confidence of the Board of Trustees and he must win four of the last five games to keep his job.
I lied to my staff and told them that I had talked to Lowder, the story was not true and everything was OK. I was trying to keep up morale. Tuesday - (Defensive coordinator Bill) Oliver brings a hidden tape recorder into our coaches meeting. I believe this was because Lowder wanted to have proof that I told a lie about talking to him the day before. Wednesday - I had a 7 a.m. meeting with Housel.
He asked if I had seen the article in the Huntsville Times. He said he had talked to Lowder, and Lowder wanted me to know that he was the undisclosed source.
He said he also wants you to know that he doesn?t care if you win five of your next six, you?re out. David said the only way I would keep my job was if Fob James wins (the governor?s race). Thursday - I brought in my lawyer, Ricky Davis, and said to David that I wanted to resign.
He called Lowder while we were in his office and we worked out a settlement. Muse didn?t even know. They were using Oliver. They were never going to hire him. When I resigned it shocked them.
Interview with Terry Bowden---
Paul Davis
HERE IS HOW IT WORKS fifty to 60 men give $5,000 per year. Wayne would collect it. These are all good men. They didn?t ask questions. The coach tells them that everybody cheats so we have to. My first two years we went 11-0 and 9-0-1.
My third year, (assistants Jimbo) Fisher and (Rick) Trickett said, ?Hall is on the phone a lot with Lowder.? I thought he was going back to cheating. I told Hall that when the season was over he needed to move on.
I told Garner that I was taking him off coaching for a year. That was the beginning of the end for me. Jimmy Rane was in on all of this. He is high maintenance. Three current Board of Trustees members gave cash to players - Rane, Spina and McWhorter.
Jimmy is a wannabe, a jock sniffer, a loose cannon. He wants to be involved in everything. After I fired Wayne , (athletic director David) Housel came on. I don?t dislike David, but David would get his feelings hurt if I called Lowder.
I told David what Wayne was doing. Lowder said (of Housel) ?He?s not a good AD, but he?s my AD.? David Dideon compliance guy, Jay Jacobs parking passes, Tim Jackson tickets. All are GAF members. Gerald Leschuck was keeping Lowder informed.
By my last year I?m having my house checked for bugs. Danny Rane (son of Jimmy Rane and a walk-on Auburn player) was giving our practice tapes to Mississippi State , our opponent. Tommy Tuberville had been promised the job if we lost to Alabama in the game when we kicked the field goal here to win.
After that season, I thought about taking the University of Texas job, but (Governor Fob) James was getting rid of Lowder. Then Lowder stayed on the Board and I was stuck. I thought then that I needed to win one more year and get out.
When I got here Lowder said don?t talk to Muse, he?s weak and his wife is a n----r lover. Lowder told me John Denson was trying to kill him. The last week I was coach: Monday - The Huntsville Tmes runs a story that says an undisclosed sources says that Bowden has lost the confidence of the Board of Trustees and he must win four of the last five games to keep his job.
I lied to my staff and told them that I had talked to Lowder, the story was not true and everything was OK. I was trying to keep up morale. Tuesday - (Defensive coordinator Bill) Oliver brings a hidden tape recorder into our coaches meeting. I believe this was because Lowder wanted to have proof that I told a lie about talking to him the day before. Wednesday - I had a 7 a.m. meeting with Housel.
He asked if I had seen the article in the Huntsville Times. He said he had talked to Lowder, and Lowder wanted me to know that he was the undisclosed source.
He said he also wants you to know that he doesn?t care if you win five of your next six, you?re out. David said the only way I would keep my job was if Fob James wins (the governor?s race). Thursday - I brought in my lawyer, Ricky Davis, and said to David that I wanted to resign.
He called Lowder while we were in his office and we worked out a settlement. Muse didn?t even know. They were using Oliver. They were never going to hire him. When I resigned it shocked them.
Interview with Terry Bowden---
Paul Davis
Posted on 6/10/19 at 3:54 pm to coachcrisp
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From what I understand, he was a good game day coach but an awful recruiter. Terry Bowden's gameday coaching plus Pat Dye's players worked well his first few years, but the bottom fell out when all those guys left.
Hell, he quit paying'em! If Dye had stayed another year, the Auburn players would have formed a union and gone out on strike for higher wages. Tot told the whole story to the media after he left....read it.
Like I pointed out to you and your circle jerk buddy jimdog, you are full of shite. You claimed to know the whole story but were unable to give any details. Stick to your pussy chasing, hard drinking, money spending stories, they will be more believable to your buddies at Jack's.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 4:08 pm to Your Stupid
The system did not work like that at all. It was a system that Dye learned while he was at Bama and most people would be shocked at how little the players got. It was based on need and most of the coaches back then thought it was something the players deserved. Wayne wasn't even the point of contact. But I guess fiction is better than the real story.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 4:58 pm to Your Stupid
I always thought his whiney little anecdotal tale was always a crock of shite ...as if he hadn’t seen corruption with his “Diddy” Bowden ...as pure as white fallen snow. What a bunch of horse shite.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 4:59 pm to Irons Puppet
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Like I pointed out to you and your circle jerk buddy jimdog, you are full of shite. You claimed to know the whole story but were unable to give any details. Stick to your pussy chasing, hard drinking, money spending stories, they will be more believable to your buddies at Jack's.
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"The system did not work like that at all. It was a system that Dye learned while he was at Bama "
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You can run, but you can't hide, Skyking! So Bama made'em do it, huh?
..taken a play from the dims playbook....whatever happens bad.......Trump did it!
You're a fricking clown, SkyKing, and the entire non-Auburn board knows it...now run along.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:17 pm to coachcrisp
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You can run, but you can't hide, Skyking!
So Bama made'em do it, huh?
..taken a play from the dims playbook....whatever happens bad.......Trump did it!
You're a fricking clown, SkyKing, and the entire non-Auburn board knows it...now run along.
Come on AirBnB, tells about the system. I know how the system worked and I know how it worked at Bama. Until you can give me a name of who the POC was, you are just as full of shite as your lip boy jimdog. I am admitting AU paid some of its players money, I know how it was done and why. You are just the typical redneck that heard something from another redneck, so it becomes facts.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:18 pm to John Milner
quote:That coach you're talking about is Wayne Hall (X-Alabama player). I used to know him pretty well and can tell you that Wayne Hall was a real piece of work....no possession was safe when Hall was around. He left Tuscaloosa owing me money from gambling losses.
When Terry Bowden was hired in 1993 to coach Auburn, he was a bright and audacious young (mid-30s) coach eager to make his legendary father proud and make a name for himself.
Everything changed within his first week. An assistant coach from the previous staff, whom Bowden was told he had to retain, walked into his office and placed a black ledger on his desk. It was a list of players who were being paid.
This is how we do it around here, Bowden was told.
Bowden told the assistant coach, “Pay off the players that were promised and never do it again.”
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:19 pm to NocaHomas Teepee
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having an affair with some BOT member's wife and forced to resign. The 1-5 record just made it convenient.
I thought he was boinking Lowder’s daughter?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:21 pm to coachcrisp
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That coach you're talking about is Wayne Hall (X-Alabama player). I used to know him pretty well and can tell you that Wayne Hall was a real piece of work....no possession was safe when Hall was around. He left Tuscaloosa owing me money from gambling losses.
Again, with the jimdog stories. Wayne Hall wasn't part of the system. He knew about it, but wasn't part of it. Like I said, schools knew about plausible deniability. They didn't allow the coaches to be part of the first line system.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:24 pm to Irons Puppet
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I am admitting AU paid some of its players money,
That's mighty white of you, especially after they had Dye on tape talking about it, and other former players who came forward and made it public. 
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:25 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:That lying Terry Bowden!
Again, with the jimdog stories. Wayne Hall wasn't part of the system. He knew about it, but wasn't part of it. Like I said, schools knew about plausible deniability. They didn't allow the coaches to be part of the first line system.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:27 pm to coachcrisp
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That lying Terry Bowden!
Quoting Terry Bowden shows what a frick up you are.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:28 pm to coachcrisp
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That's mighty white of you, especially after they had Dye on tape talking about it, and other former players who came forward and made it public.
Dye never admitted or was proven to know about anything. More info from the redneck circle jerk I see.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:34 pm to Irons Puppet
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The system did not work like that at all. It was a system that Dye learned while he was at Bama and most people would be shocked at how little the players got. It was based on need and most of the coaches back then thought it was something the players deserved. Wayne wasn't even the point of contact. But I guess fiction is better than the real story.
Terry may have been a lot of things but, a liar he was not. Our former coach knows much more than you do about the "system" and he never once mentioned Paul Bryant.
As far as can be determined, Bryant was a pure as the driven snow. It's a little much for you to blame our Auburn money funneling system on a coach of another team; that's childish.
You need to reread the Auburn Creed.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:37 pm to coachcrisp
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That's mighty white of you
Gee, that's real nice. Throw in a Roll Tide and it all makes sense.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:37 pm to Your Stupid
frickin alter
Posted on 6/10/19 at 5:38 pm to CU_Tigers4life
Masters in Parks and Recreation. I understand that Terry loves the sliding board.....
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