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re: SEC expands into North Carolina?
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:33 am to turnpiketiger
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:33 am to turnpiketiger
NC State and Va/Va Tech are the next options.
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:34 am to Boodis Man
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lol NC State will never make it. Rutgers has as good a chance as them…that’s their level
You don’t know ball. The whole point was saying NC state has a 100% better shot at making it than Duke.
I mean look at this. That’s even better than a UNC game but UNC has eyes watching all over the country vs NC State being a more regional power.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:36 am to turnpiketiger
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What exactly does Clemson FSU and or Miami do for the bigger picture? They’re in states we already have a foot print in. Sure they’ve had some good seasons here and there but they’re not as big of needle movers as they think. Especially Miami. Hell they’re down there with Duke when it comes to big players
The benefit of Miami is the recruiting area…I would rather have the south Florida talent base in the SEC rather than the B1G…recruiting that area will get a lot more competitive with the B1G schools more involved.
Clemson and FSU are national brands.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:36 am to turnpiketiger
UVA would cut their program before they moved to the SEC. UNC seems much more agreeable than they used to but there's a sizable wine-and-cheese crowd there who would try to stop it.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:37 am to turnpiketiger
B1G added the four biggest brands from the PAC, and that's all they did.
Has nothing to do with their media markets.
It's about brand consolidation, not local media markets.
Has nothing to do with their media markets.
It's about brand consolidation, not local media markets.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:39 am to CharlotteSooner
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Nobody cares about local markets.
I don't know why you people insist with this but it's funny.
It's a mindset stuck in 2010 when all the rage was about the SECN/BTN. This really isn't the focus anymore due to fewer and fewer people having cable. "Brand" is what's important here and going forward, which is why OU/UT moving to the SEC sent the Big Ten into an absolute panic
Best options, if we have to expand, are Florida State, UNC, Clemson, VT in that order
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:41 am to turnpiketiger
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Then why’d the Big10 feel the need to add the two LA teams and two PNW teams?
OU and Texas mattered because they're both top 10 brands in college football. Big Ten panicked because while we picked up those two, along with Texas A&M just 10 years ago, they picked up Maryland and Rutgers.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:41 am to Bama Bird
^^^^^^^^
DING! DING!
DING! DING!
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:44 am to turnpiketiger
Been around NC State fans quite a bit and they'd fit right in in the SEC. They also probably have the closest ACC atmosphere to SEC football outside of Clemson/FSU. They love baseball and are good at it.
However, in terms of actually adding "value" to the conference, I'm not sure anyone other than North Carolina does that (other than just adding the SEC flag in North Carolina).
If you forced me to expand the SEC to another state it would absolutely be North Carolina, though. Would fit just fine - culturally, schools with easy rivalries that would make sense, great state with good economy and good sports tradition, etc.
However, in terms of actually adding "value" to the conference, I'm not sure anyone other than North Carolina does that (other than just adding the SEC flag in North Carolina).
If you forced me to expand the SEC to another state it would absolutely be North Carolina, though. Would fit just fine - culturally, schools with easy rivalries that would make sense, great state with good economy and good sports tradition, etc.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:48 am to turnpiketiger
Oh please no not this again all off season.
Sheeeeeeeshus please no.
This is pure mass insanity.
It ain't foookin' happenin'.
May all of you get a wicked case of Herod's Crotch.
Sheeeeeeeshus please no.
This is pure mass insanity.
It ain't foookin' happenin'.
May all of you get a wicked case of Herod's Crotch.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:49 am to Temple of the Dog
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Been around NC State fans quite a bit and they'd fit right in in the SEC. They also probably have the closest ACC atmosphere to SEC football outside of Clemson/FSU. They love baseball and are good at it. However, in terms of actually adding "value" to the conference, I'm not sure anyone other than North Carolina does that (other than just adding the SEC flag in North Carolina). If you forced me to expand the SEC to another state it would absolutely be North Carolina, though. Would fit just fine - culturally, schools with easy rivalries that would make sense, great state with good economy and good sports tradition, etc.
This guy gets it. North Carolina’s economy comes into play here. It’s booming and going no where but up.
This matters because you know you’ll get support for the two schools the same way you get throughout the SEC excluding Vandy.
The Carolinas are essential to southeastern culture.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:56 am to turnpiketiger
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The Carolinas are essential to southeastern culture.
Yes, and they are contiguous and fit regionally with other historical SEC members. So if you can add value and keep regional feel then that is a win win in this era, IMHO.
Northeast - NC State, UNC, Tennessee, South Carolina
Southeast - Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn
Midsouth - LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
West - A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:59 am to Bama Bird
quote:But muh DC and NYC markets!
Big Ten panicked because while we picked up those two, along with Texas A&M just 10 years ago, they picked up Maryland and Rutgers.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:01 am to turnpiketiger
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Sure we can remain at 16. Vandy and Mizzou are out
You’re not kicking out a charter member of the SEC.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:06 am to turnpiketiger
IMO, the original 10 SEC teams don't like expansion.. at all..
Therefore, if we added 4 teams.. we could have 2 or 4 groups that would keep the original 10 happy imo..
Original 10 + New 10
or
Original 5 West + Original 5 East + New 5 West + New 5 East
You could play a 9 game schedule pretty easy with either format..
but 10 would be better if you went to four groups of 5..
because of Alabama vs Tennessee, Auburn vs Georgia, etc
Just my two cents..
Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss Miss State
Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri
FSU, Clemson, S Carolina, N Carolina + ND/Miami/UVA/NC State/Duke
Therefore, if we added 4 teams.. we could have 2 or 4 groups that would keep the original 10 happy imo..
Original 10 + New 10
or
Original 5 West + Original 5 East + New 5 West + New 5 East
You could play a 9 game schedule pretty easy with either format..
but 10 would be better if you went to four groups of 5..
because of Alabama vs Tennessee, Auburn vs Georgia, etc
Just my two cents..
Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss Miss State
Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri
FSU, Clemson, S Carolina, N Carolina + ND/Miami/UVA/NC State/Duke
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 11:10 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:08 am to turnpiketiger
B1G - Cal, Stanford, Notre Dame, Utah, plus 2 ACC schools.
UNC, FSU, Clemson, Virginia.
UNC, FSU, Clemson, Virginia.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:08 am to turnpiketiger
B1G - Cal, Stanford, Notre Dame, Utah, plus 2 ACC schools.
UNC, FSU, Clemson, Virginia.
UNC, FSU, Clemson, Virginia.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:11 am to BigBro
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IMO, the original 10 SEC teams don't like expansion.. at all..
The SEC has done expansion about as well, in terms of keeping a conference feeling somewhat like a regional entity, as they could. When conferences get as big as they are they are forced to span across areas where the furthest reaches of the league on each end are probably going to be very random.
The key is to make sure that everybody in the league feels like 1/2 to 2/3 of the league "feels" like them, is semi-close for trips, etc. And the SEC has done a good job of that to date. And if they needed to add again UNC/NCSU would fall into that same category.
UNC/NCSU would have be totally radnom to OU/Texas, but they'd have a lot of interconnection with Tennessee, Carolina, Georgia and eachother.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:19 am to Temple of the Dog
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UNC/NCSU would have be totally radnom to OU/Texas, but they'd have a lot of interconnection with Tennessee, Carolina, Georgia and eachother.
Understood and I agree. If it makes sense to y'all, then do it. I'm just trying to help y'all come to an agreement from the outside looking in..
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:21 am to BigBro
There's also the underlying issue that FSU/Clemson are sitting there right in the middle of the footprint, but that FSU/Clemson have history with both the league as a whole and their individual rivals that are in the league.
I think it's all kind of irrelevant anyway as we're gonna be in some sort of non-conference Super League within 10 years anyway.
I think it's all kind of irrelevant anyway as we're gonna be in some sort of non-conference Super League within 10 years anyway.
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