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re: Has Derrick Henry's NFL career altered your opinion of his collegiate performance?
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:00 pm to 3down10
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:00 pm to 3down10
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Henry has already eclipsed Walkers NFL stats, and done it in less years than Walker. A common theme, because he's the better RB.
Walker also played in the era of the running back, when offenses were built entirely around RBs. Henry played in the era of the QB, where RBs are almost an afterthought (though recently a bit of a return to this).
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Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:20 pm to MoarKilometers
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Walker averaged fewer yards per carry, against an easier schedule, than Henry.
MTSU, ULM, CHSO, FAU, WCU, CSU, GAST, CHAT
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:21 pm to ClaimToFame
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Henry was able to pad his stats against teams like MTSU, ULM, CHSO, FAU, WCU, CSU, GAST, CHAT.
Except this is a flat out lie.
In 2015, his Heisman year, Henry ran WAY less against G5/FCS teams than he did against P5 competition:
Average carries per game: 13.3
Yards per game: 72
Against P5 teams:
Average carries per game: 29.5
Yards per game: 166.9
In fact, if you take away his G5/FCS games, he still has over 2000 yards rushing that year (2003 to be exact)
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14-15 games per season compared to 12 games. Walker averaged more yards per game than Henry.
Walker was the starter for 3 years at Georgia. In his first year as a starter, the closest person to him in carries was Carnie Harris (56 carries to Walker's 274). This was even more lopsided the next year (66 to Walker's 385) and still very lopsided his final year (69 to Walker's 335).
Henry was very much a backup his first year (just 35 carries) and was a RB tandem with TJ Yeldon the following year (Yeldon had 194 carries to Henry's 172).
If you look at YPA, Henry was MUCH more productive - 6.0 ypa for Henry to Walker's 5.3. If Henry had carried the ball as much as Walker, he would have finished with 5,964 yards - over 700 more than Walker did.
Probably should stick to lies that aren't easily debunked in 30 seconds of searching.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:21 pm to skrayper
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Henry played in the era of the QB, where RBs are almost an afterthought
Henry was anything but an afterthought for the Titans.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:22 pm to RollTide1987
I admit thinking he wasn’t even that good
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:23 pm to BamaDude06
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That's 216 yards between the 3 non Power 5 games in 2015.
How many yards did Walker have against the 3 non Power teams?
Oh, that's right. Georgia didn't play any.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:26 pm to skrayper
Walker averaged more yards per game than Henry and didn't play against the likes of MTSU, ULM, CHSO, FAU, WCU, CSU, GAST, CHAT.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:31 pm to ClaimToFame
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MTSU, ULM, CHSO, FAU, WCU, CSU, GAST, CHAT
Those teams would probably beat most of the teams in the SEC so I don't see what your point is.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:32 pm to RollTide1987
Huh
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:32 pm to collegefootballisbroken
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Derrick Henry is easily a top 3 running back in SEC history and likely finishes his NFL career as a top 5 RB all time as well.
Derrick Henry is great. Let me open with that.
But the SEC has quite a history of RB's. Looking at college performance, 1 and 2 have always been Hershel and Bo for me and I think the majority of SEC fans.
So the statement that Henry is the best of all the other RB's in SEC history is a tough claim. He's great. Ingram was great in college too. Then you have older heisman winners like Billy Cannon and Frank Sinkwich. Then non-heisman major award winners (Doak Walker or Maxwell award) like Charlie Trippi, Garrison Hearst, Darren McFadden and Najee Harris.
To be perfectly honest, I think Darren McFadden is the #3 RB in SEC history. He really should have won the heisman over Troy Smith in 2006. He was second in Heisman voting in both 2006 and 2007 (when Tebow won) and won the Doak Walker award both years.
I'd probably put Henry 4th, then Cannon, then Sinkwich, then Ingram, then Hearst, then Harris, then Trippi.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:40 pm to RollTide1987
Yes it has. On the same note Mac Jones’ career in the NFL has shown me that he was not good in college and benefited from a Covid season.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:44 pm to NickPapageorgio
No, it’s not that. You failed to mention that the value of the RB position in the NFL just isn’t what it used to be. We have had several seasons where no RBs selected in the first round. Guys like CMC who can do it all are still valued but long gone is the need to have a 1,000 yd rusher to win football games. It makes guys like Henry undervalued for sure but also under appreciated. Baltimore is Lamar’s team and Henry could get 2000 yds and he’ll get a pat on the rear and a atta boy. RB ain’t what it was
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:52 pm to ClaimToFame
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Walker averaged more yards per game than Henry and didn't play against the likes of MTSU, ULM, CHSO, FAU, WCU, CSU, GAST, CHAT.
He played Temple, Memphis, and an independent South Carolina (4-7 in the year they played them).
Posted on 12/26/24 at 6:54 pm to ClaimToFame
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Walker averaged more yards per game than Henry
Not against conference opponents.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 7:06 pm to skrayper
All the talking down about walker needs to recognize what he did.
His first year at UGA he was #3 in heisman voting. He really should have won it, but back then they wouldn't give it to Freshmen.
His second year at UGA he was #2 in heisman voting. That year he should have finished #2. Marcus Allen deserved the award.
His third and final year at UGA he was #1 in heisman voting, beating out John Elway and Erik Dickerson. Dave Rimington (the best Center ever) was also top 5 in the heisman voting that year. He didn't just win it, he won it against what might be the best heisman class in the history of college football. Other guys getting votes included Dan Marino, Anthony Carter and Mike Rozier.
There's a reason Herschel Walker is in the top 3 of college football's all-time PLAYERS (not SEC players or RB's). He was recognized as being one of the top 3 players in all of college football for three consecutive seasons.
When it comes to RB's, you have Herschel Walker (best college career of all time), Barry Sanders (best single season by a RB in NCAA history), Bo Jackson (best athlete to play RB ever), and Archie Griffen (only player to win 2 heismans).
His first year at UGA he was #3 in heisman voting. He really should have won it, but back then they wouldn't give it to Freshmen.
His second year at UGA he was #2 in heisman voting. That year he should have finished #2. Marcus Allen deserved the award.
His third and final year at UGA he was #1 in heisman voting, beating out John Elway and Erik Dickerson. Dave Rimington (the best Center ever) was also top 5 in the heisman voting that year. He didn't just win it, he won it against what might be the best heisman class in the history of college football. Other guys getting votes included Dan Marino, Anthony Carter and Mike Rozier.
There's a reason Herschel Walker is in the top 3 of college football's all-time PLAYERS (not SEC players or RB's). He was recognized as being one of the top 3 players in all of college football for three consecutive seasons.
When it comes to RB's, you have Herschel Walker (best college career of all time), Barry Sanders (best single season by a RB in NCAA history), Bo Jackson (best athlete to play RB ever), and Archie Griffen (only player to win 2 heismans).
Posted on 12/26/24 at 7:11 pm to RollTide1987
Hershel and Bo are at the top of Mt Rushmore but DH is at the precipice of being included on the Mt Rushmore of SEC running backs.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 7:15 pm to Simple Solution
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MTSU, ULM, CHSO, FAU, WCU, CSU, GAST, CHAT
Those teams would probably beat most of the teams in the SEC so I don't see what your point is.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 7:20 pm to Govt Tide
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Hershel and Bo are at the top of Mt Rushmore but DH is at the precipice of being included on the Mt Rushmore of SEC running backs.
I'd agree.
The difference is Bo and Herschel are also on the NCAA RB mount rushmore (along with Barry Sanders and Archie Griffin).
Henry and Darren McFadden are neck and neck as the #3 and #4 RB's in the SEC. Neither is in contention for the NCAA list where as Bo and Herschel are there.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 7:20 pm to RollTide1987
I downvoted you solely because of your post history.
You're not a good person btw
You're not a good person btw
Posted on 12/26/24 at 7:24 pm to 3down10
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Henry played more ranked teams in a single year than Walker did in his entire career @ Georgia. You can count the number of ranked teams Walker played and won on 1 finger, 2 if you want to count his decoy game and you lost multiple times. You played a total of 1 ranked team in 1980 when you won the NC. And despite playing against better competition, Henry broke his SEC record and did it on less carries. Henry has already eclipsed Walkers NFL stats, and done it in less years than Walker. A common theme, because he's the better RB.
This kind of hyper-analyzing and comparison is, for a lack of better word, kinda gay.
Walker was a legend who almost single-handedly led Georgia to 3 national titles. Georgia had a pretty good defense but hardly enough to even have them close to playing for 1 national title let alone winning 1 and playing for 3.
Henry is amazing. Easily in the same caliber as Herschel but u wouldn’t just call him the better back by naming ranked schools they played and running for more yards as if that just ends the conversation. Henry played on the easily the best teams in football. All-SEC 1st team QBs, Best offensive line, top 5 receiver corps, best front 7, and best secondary.
Both are great. Comparisons are pretty gay
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