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re: Can someone explain the 1941 NC that bama claims?
Posted on 10/21/09 at 5:08 pm to BenHOGan
Posted on 10/21/09 at 5:08 pm to BenHOGan
Ok fine. If you want to act like Arkansas has more of a claim to that year than Bama, then I think you should say the same about Maryland in 1951. They beat an undefeated tennessee team in the Sugar Bowl to finish their season 10-0. But tennessee was awarded the Title before the bowl game.
Arkansas was undefeated. Ok. Fine. They should be able to claim the Title for that year. But Bama was awarded the Title by both the AP and Coaches Poll. We aren't going to turn that Title down. I don't know of a single school that would.
Arkansas was undefeated. Ok. Fine. They should be able to claim the Title for that year. But Bama was awarded the Title by both the AP and Coaches Poll. We aren't going to turn that Title down. I don't know of a single school that would.
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Posted on 10/21/09 at 5:43 pm to volhound
I really don't remember much about 1941 considering it happened 35 years before I was born. Why didn't we get the '66 NC though?
Posted on 10/21/09 at 6:00 pm to Teague
12 National Championships ? … The Real Story
I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about Alabama’s claim to 12 national championships based on fact rather than bias. Credit is given where credit is due.
To clear up confusion, the word retroactive means they went back in time to award the championship.
‘TWELVE’ national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department. Here’s a rundown:
1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn’t exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.
The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 – 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 – Current.
1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!
1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!
1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!
Bama…legends in their own minds!
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I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about Alabama’s claim to 12 national championships based on fact rather than bias. Credit is given where credit is due.
To clear up confusion, the word retroactive means they went back in time to award the championship.
‘TWELVE’ national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department. Here’s a rundown:
1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn’t exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.
The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 – 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 – Current.
1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!
1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!
1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!
Bama…legends in their own minds!
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This post was edited on 10/21/09 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 10/21/09 at 6:01 pm to Zitheral
Jesus Christ, like nobody has ever seen that pile of jealousy before. God people, get a life. Your team didn't win shite back then, that's why you don't claim shite from those years.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 6:05 pm to Teague
I'm going to invent a formula that somehow gives Vandy the national championship for every year starting at 1920 or so. Then Vandy can claim they have 89 titles.
It'll be legit because I can change the way I calculate a champion for each year and the fact that it is retroactive doesn't matter either.
EDIT: Any other teams want National Championships? I can create a formula for each of you... sharing NC's doesn't seem to be a deterrent to claiming a NC either.
It'll be legit because I can change the way I calculate a champion for each year and the fact that it is retroactive doesn't matter either.
EDIT: Any other teams want National Championships? I can create a formula for each of you... sharing NC's doesn't seem to be a deterrent to claiming a NC either.
This post was edited on 10/21/09 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 10/21/09 at 6:08 pm to Zitheral
1925- Undefeated and untied Rose Bowl Champions.
1926- Undefeated but tied Stanford in the Rose Bowl.
1930- Undefeated and untied Rose Bowl Champions.
1934- Undefeated and untied Rose Bowl Champions.
Why the frick should those not count? The Rose Bowl was the big bowl game back then was it not? Those are years that can be legitimately claimed as National Titles. Get the frick over it.
1926- Undefeated but tied Stanford in the Rose Bowl.
1930- Undefeated and untied Rose Bowl Champions.
1934- Undefeated and untied Rose Bowl Champions.
Why the frick should those not count? The Rose Bowl was the big bowl game back then was it not? Those are years that can be legitimately claimed as National Titles. Get the frick over it.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 6:22 pm to bamaboy87
Why is it always fans of programs with no history or tradition that always obsess over our past?
Alabama has a glorious history and by God we'll claim whatever the hell we want to.
Alabama has a glorious history and by God we'll claim whatever the hell we want to.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 6:27 pm to bamaboy87
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It's a bullshite claim. Period. End of story. I don't know why the University claims it. 1945 would be a more legit claim. You won't find many Bama fans that think that is a legit title.
I see quite a few 'got 12' shirts, so yeah.. they aren't hard to find.
This post was edited on 10/21/09 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 10/21/09 at 6:31 pm to bmy
Well thats because they dont have any "Got 11?" shirts
Plus alot of the people that wear them don't even know about how things went in 1941. I do have a shirt and a hat that have the titles listed on them. But for as long as I have known about it I have always said that 1941 is bull.
So let me rephrase me previous statement. You won't find many Bama fans that know the whole story about 1941 that claim it as a legit title.
Plus alot of the people that wear them don't even know about how things went in 1941. I do have a shirt and a hat that have the titles listed on them. But for as long as I have known about it I have always said that 1941 is bull.
So let me rephrase me previous statement. You won't find many Bama fans that know the whole story about 1941 that claim it as a legit title.
This post was edited on 10/21/09 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 10/21/09 at 6:32 pm to bamaboy87
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Well thats because they dont have any "Got 11?" shirts
Plus alot of the people that wear them don't even know about how things went in 1941. I do have a shirt and a hat that have the titles listed on them. But for as long as I have known about it I have always said that 1941 is bull.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 6:35 pm to bmy
Posted on 10/21/09 at 7:09 pm to Zitheral
3 legitimate titles, move on and quit claiming any more than 3. Otherwise, you lose credibility.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 7:26 pm to Coonass
Give up yours for 2003 and we'll talk. (Since USC was awarded AP)
Posted on 10/22/09 at 7:42 am to Alabamya
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Dear god,this is all you got? GTFO and go join the LSU/Auburn weak arse flame thread
I was not going for a flame thread, I really wanted to know dickhead.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 7:56 am to DvlsAdvocat
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Give up yours for 2003 and we'll talk. (Since USC was awarded AP)
Wow. So now the Houlgate trophy awarded to a 9-2 team that was 3rd in the SEC = the BCS trophy ?
Amazing.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:10 am to SabanIsAGod
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Good Luck findings 6 or 7 Aub seasons worthy of an NC
1910
1913
1914
1957
1958
1983
1993
2004
All are seasons which could merit some debate if they were "National Championship Worthy" seasons.
ETA: If Auburn were to claim national titles with the standards that Alabama does in claiming their twelve, we'd undoubtably have at least five in 1910, 1913, 1914, 1957, and 1983.
This post was edited on 10/22/09 at 8:12 am
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:13 am to I-59 Tiger
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Wow. So now the Houlgate trophy awarded to a 9-2 team that was 3rd in the SEC = the BCS trophy ?
It appears he was dismissing EVERY "non-consensus" championship we have ever won, so since 2003 falls into that criteria....
This post was edited on 10/22/09 at 8:14 am
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:13 am to Ross
Auburn should claim 2004,IMO. Southern Cal debunked the year before that starting in 1998 the BCS trophy was "it". The only ones that would get upset would be Southern Cal and Alabama. Southern Cal saying they were "2003 National Champs" and some of the silliness Alabama claims.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:15 am to DvlsAdvocat
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It appears he was dismissing EVERY "non-consensus" championship we have ever won, so since 2003 falls into that criteria....
Well,then Alabama is in big trouble ,then. Clocks with 5 hands and "got 5" t-shirts won't be big sellers.
Posted on 10/22/09 at 8:17 am to I-59 Tiger
1983 should be claimed before any of them. We all know who deserved that championship and who was the best team in the nation. That team damn sure wasn't Miami.
But because you have to have polls to claim it, the following voted Auburn #1 that year:
ARGH, Billingsley, DKC, Eck, FACT, Fleming, Football Research, James Howell, Massey Ratings, New York Times, Nutshell Sports, Sorensen, Sparks Achievement, David Wilson, 1st-N-Goal
The fact that the AP Poll didn't is a sham.
But because you have to have polls to claim it, the following voted Auburn #1 that year:
ARGH, Billingsley, DKC, Eck, FACT, Fleming, Football Research, James Howell, Massey Ratings, New York Times, Nutshell Sports, Sorensen, Sparks Achievement, David Wilson, 1st-N-Goal
The fact that the AP Poll didn't is a sham.
This post was edited on 10/22/09 at 8:19 am
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