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Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:18 pm to Shaft Williams
I somewhat agree with this.
Many teams were trying to find a home run hire that would beat Saban and didn’t have the patience to see a coach develop a program.
A&M, Florida and LSU are the obvious examples. Throw Auburn in as well.
Many teams were trying to find a home run hire that would beat Saban and didn’t have the patience to see a coach develop a program.
A&M, Florida and LSU are the obvious examples. Throw Auburn in as well.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:19 pm to PeleofAnalytics
Having a rational discussion isn’t the goal of media. It’s getting your TikTok to millions of views and getting 24,000 likes on your tweet.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:22 pm to the808bass
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I somewhat agree with this.
Many teams were trying to find a home run hire that would beat Saban and didn’t have the patience to see a coach develop a program.
A&M, Florida and LSU are the obvious examples. Throw Auburn in as well.
You can add Tennessee (Pruitt) and South Carolina (Muschamp) to that list as well. Both of those schools are on an upward trajectory b/c they went their own way.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:24 pm to jangalang
quote:That's the ticket, though the combination of unlimited transfer and pay-to-play has destroyed the idea of a "team," at least in the way we once knew it.
Ohio State pays well
Pay-to-play was/is the only way northern schools could/can compete consistently, ultimately. No one wants to go up there to freeze their nuts off for 6 months every year when they could be thawed out down south and that same weather limits what they can/will do outside. Fat paychecks, though, warm the heart.
Reminds me of Suan Alexander's comment about why he picked Bama over Notre Dame: when he got on the interstate heading to South Bend for his final visit it started snowing and he said "no" to snow.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:24 pm to Shaft Williams
The Sabanization of the SEC is kind of gone, I think, in terms of copycat coaches. Kirby is his own deal. Napier is probably the closest, but even he is pretty much his own guy at this point. Sark and Lane clearly learned and implemented Saban things but they aren't trying to do the Saban playbook verbatim or anything. The 2010s had a bunch of guys like that and it failed miserably.
The SEC actually has a pretty diverse set of coaches in terms of backgrounds at this point.
The SEC actually has a pretty diverse set of coaches in terms of backgrounds at this point.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:25 pm to Shaft Williams
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This doesn't mean shite when your coaching is lacking. And, on a conference-level coaching in the SEC is lacking. Michigan beat Alabama with 2 tomato can QBs who together aren't a 1/4th of what Milroe is and bullied a 4 and 5 star OL around with a second string defense. UGA has out-recruited ND as well and ND whipped them fairly easily. It's coaching!
There is a reason Saban retired. It's not that coaching is lacking, it's that kids do not care about development anymore because they don't have to make it to the NFL to make more money than most people will see in their lives.
Michigan ended their season with 2 wins. Against Ohio St and Alabama.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:27 pm to 3down10
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Michigan beat Alabama with 2 tomato can QBs who together aren't a 1/4th of what Milroe is
Michigan's offense pretty much played like tomato cans. They had 190 yards and 19 pts and were handed 3 possessions inside the red zone.
The Alabama QB (and to a lesser extent OL) is 98% of the reason for that loss.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:29 pm to Shaft Williams
Saban got tired of the mess. Kelly is finding hard to deal with. DeBoer is learning it’s hard to deal with. Kirby can’t control them either. No way to control players. Saban could but got tired of it.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:31 pm to Cleary Rebels
The funny part is the bammers who think that, with the departure of LANKboy, the me-too, selfishness, and narcissism is gone too. It's baked into the NIL/portal cake now. Milroe showed them the model.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:33 pm to TygerLyfe
I think everyone is pretty aware of what modern college football looks like.
It's why a team like Notre Dame, despite their historical brand, can be so appealing to watch. They seem to have avoided all that nonsense, play hard, play quality football and are well coached. Feels like a throwback to yesteryear.
It's why a team like Notre Dame, despite their historical brand, can be so appealing to watch. They seem to have avoided all that nonsense, play hard, play quality football and are well coached. Feels like a throwback to yesteryear.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:33 pm to Lgrnwd
90% of this board lives in such denial.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:34 pm to Lgrnwd
Oh I’m sure everyone else was on the up and up. Mmmkay
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:34 pm to paperwasp
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This continues to be a lazy, ignorant take…
No, there is some cause and effect happening with both the NIL and portal changes in college football, so it is “interesting”.
However, it is lazy and ignorant to try to say one variable is the cause of the SEC being slightly off the level of dominance (one of final four teams is from the SEC) seen for the last 20 years.
I am most curious to see what program/coach adapts best to the new world of CFB with NIL money and portal movement. I believe most people would agree that Saban mastered the previous situation by dangling the promise of the NFL in order to out-recruit everyone else, and Kirby continues that approach.
However, it is not clear to me that a coach/program has got the CEO level approach that will get them the best players, and the best assistant coaches in this new world,……who will it be?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:34 pm to 3down10
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There is a reason Saban retired. It's not that coaching is lacking, it's that kids do not care about development anymore because they don't have to make it to the NFL to make more money than most people will see in their lives.
Michigan ended their season with 2 wins. Against Ohio St and Alabama.
You and others keep glossing over the fact that Saban himself said he could no longer attract the quality of assistant coaches that he was accustomed to because coaches wanted assurances he would remain at Bama for an extended period of time. I've been following Saban since he was at Michigan State and his last two staffs at Bama were his worst staffs. He had better staffs at Michigan State. Saban got to be elite by hiring elite staffs. I know for a fact Saban was interested in USC's current DC and their DB coach who had been a staffer at Bama.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:36 pm to Shaft Williams
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You and others keep glossing over the fact that Saban himself said he could no longer attract the quality of assistant coaches that he was accustomed to because coaches wanted assurances he would remain at Bama for an extended period of time. I've been following Saban since he was at Michigan State and his last two staffs at Bama were his worst staffs. He had better staffs at Michigan State. Saban got to be elite by hiring elite staffs. I know for a fact Saban was interested in USC's current DC and their DB coach who had been a staffer at Bama.
Correct, which is why he had to either hire old guys he still trusted somewhat (Steele) or take chances on guys younger and more green than he ever would have (Rees).
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:36 pm to Bamadog75
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When they allowed players to transfer without sitting out a year and could transfer in conference was the start of it.
Yep
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He played harder against teams like LSU , Georgia because it was marquee games. Most games he played not to get hurt.
This makes a lot of sense. I always wondered why he looked like a Heisman Trophy winner against us, but couldn't do anything against losing teams?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:37 pm to Cleary Rebels
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Saban got tired of the mess. Kelly is finding hard to deal with. DeBoer is learning it’s hard to deal with. Kirby can’t control them either. No way to control players. Saban could but got tired of it.
Not true. Honestly, I hear less about player misbehavior these days than years ago. Saban knew he could pull the best players but he could no longer get the coaches to develop those players.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:38 pm to Bamafig
Stare at the facts and argue if you want.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:38 pm to 3down10
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Yes he is. All you have to do is look at the recruiting rankings to see it has nothing to do with talent, nor is it due to a drop in recruiting. It's just the kind of shite people want to believe.
Exactly. On top of that, Ohio State has been recruiting at a very high level, way before the NIL.
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