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re: Best Running Back in SEC History?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:31 am to meansonny
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:31 am to meansonny
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For Henry...
Cyrus Kouandijo was drafted 2nd round after the 2013 season.
Arie Kouandijo (4th round) and Austin Shepherd (7th round) were drafted off the 2014 team.
Henry had 3 OL starters drafted from the 2015 season (Cam Robinson in 2nd round, Ryan Kelly in the 1st round, and Ross Pierschbacher in the 5th round).
Those lineman you mention were drafted high because of their pass blocking abilities.
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:32 am to 3down10
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Except for the fact that every person on the team is dedicated to the run, because that's what the offense was at the time.
That every person recruited was recruited to run block and help that style of offense.
They didn't pass as much, but I bet they also didn't have 3 and 4 WR sets.
Lol
If every player is dedicated to the run, how come running backs are getting 500 yards on the season before and after Herschel?
You ignore the obvious and i seriously doubt that you played football.
When the offense and defense rep against one another in practice and the defense knows the 2 or 3 plays being run, your very average defenders should be playing like all americans. I was Ronnie effin Lott Monday thru Thursday.
And it shouldnt be any different in college on Saturdays against professional defensive coordinators who have a week to plan for 3 plays.
Your impression of what is easy and hard to do in football is completely off. Blocking wide receivers and tight ends do not have a reach advantage against DBs and linebackers who key run all of the time.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:33 am to 3down10
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Not me. Those entire teams were built around that. It's not like he was on a team devoted to the pass, but then put up all those stats anyway.
Sure but it allows defenses to stack the box. Thats tough sledding even with an offense devoted to giving you the ball. You have to be good at breaking tackles.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:33 am to 3down10
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Those lineman you mention were drafted high because of their pass blocking abilities.
And yet the UGA linemen werent drafted in 12 rounds.
Lol
Your tears and excuses make this fun.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:40 am to 3down10
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Not me. Those entire teams were built around that. It's not like he was on a team devoted to the pass, but then put up all those stats anyway.
So you think it is easier to run against an oklahoma/bear front because the linemen/ends practice run blocking more during practice versus a cover 2 or cover 4 where the linemen spend half of practices in pass pro?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:41 am to meansonny
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Lol
If every player is dedicated to the run, how come running backs are getting 500 yards on the season before and after Herschel?
You ignore the obvious and i seriously doubt that you played football.
I don't think anyone said Walker was an average RB. What's being talked about here is that you claim running the ball that much is a disadvantage, when it's not.
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When the offense and defense rep against one another in practice and the defense knows the 2 or 3 plays being run, your very average defenders should be playing like all americans. I was Ronnie effin Lott Monday thru Thursday.
And it shouldnt be any different in college on Saturdays against professional defensive coordinators who have a week to plan for 3 plays.
Your impression of what is easy and hard to do in football is completely off. Blocking wide receivers and tight ends do not have a reach advantage against DBs and linebackers who key run all of the time.
What the hell are you talking about? None of this shite is even remotely true. If the guy can't block the man in front of him, then he's not a blocking WR, why even put him out there in the first place?
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 11:42 am
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:42 am to meansonny
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And yet the UGA linemen werent drafted in 12 rounds.
Lol
Your tears and excuses make this fun.
Alabama's run focused lineman don't/didn't get drafted either.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:43 am to 3down10
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What the hell are you talking about? None of this shite is even remotely true. If the guy can't block the man in front of him, then he's not a blocking WR, why even put him out there in the first place?
Lol
Now i know you didnt play football.
I hear the male cheerleaders get good action with the ladies. Amirite?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:49 am to meansonny
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And yet the UGA linemen werent drafted in 12 rounds.
So what?
Georgia played well as a team. Herschel Walker was a big part of that, but it's very difficult to say one player was solely responsible for a run like the one Georgia experienced from 1980-1983. They were a Top 5 football team the season after Walker won the Heisman and left for the USFL.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 11:52 am
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:50 am to GamecockUltimate
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Sure but it allows defenses to stack the box. Thats tough sledding even with an offense devoted to giving you the ball. You have to be good at breaking tackles.
The running game in football is a numbers game. It's why the wildcat formation works even though the defense knows what is coming.
It's why in goal line situations, you always see so many extra players on the line. The run is coming, the defense knows it, the only question is which direction it's coming. They put in extra blockers....because it's a numbers game.
There are 11 players on both sides of the ball. A player that is blocked is counted for. What's left over at the end is what matters on the play.
There is no difference between a WR who blocks the CB and a WR who runs a route taking the CB away from the ball. The CB in both cases is accounted for. The only thing that will matter is if the WR didn't block the CB, or if the CB didn't follow the route of the WR.
The rest is just myth.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:53 am to 3down10
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Alabama's run focused lineman don't/didn't get drafted either
Cam Robinson's scouting report doesnt list him as a road grader?
Ryan Kelly's scouting report isnt all about run blocking?
Pierschbacher's scouting report isnt 80% about run blocking?
I think you misinterpret who Bama was in 2015 with Jake Coker at QB.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:02 pm to 3down10
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The running game in football is a numbers game. It's why the wildcat formation works even though the defense knows what is coming.
It's why in goal line situations, you always see so many extra players on the line. The run is coming, the defense knows it, the only question is which direction it's coming. They put in extra blockers....because it's a numbers game.
There are 11 players on both sides of the ball. A player that is blocked is counted for. What's left over at the end is what matters on the play.
There is no difference between a WR who blocks the CB and a WR who runs a route taking the CB away from the ball. The CB in both cases is accounted for. The only thing that will matter is if the WR didn't block the CB, or if the CB didn't follow the route of the WR.
The rest is just myth.
I think you are confusing buck belue and jake coker as wildcat QBs. Lol
The numbers favor the defense. Always until you have Hurts at QB.
You seem to ignore spacing.
You seem to ignore run blitzing or firing.
For you, a safety 7 yards off the line is the same as a safety 16 yards off the line of scrimmage.
For you, a safety crashing down is the same as a safety reading keys.
If a defender wants a gap, it is extremely difficult for an expert blocking lineman to keep him out. That is why changing plays at the line is so important.
The defense has the edge when they know what to defend. Passing half of the time changes so much in the defensive approach, your inability to recognize this is stunning.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:05 pm to RollTide1987
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So what?
Georgia played well as a team. Herschel Walker was a big part of that, but it's very difficult to say one player was solely responsible for a run like the one Georgia experienced from 1980-1983. They were a Top 5 football team the season after Walker won the Heisman and left for the USFL.
Yes. Like Bama, UGA had great defenses under Erk Russel. Erk should be in the college football hall of fame.
But in 1983, the leading rusher had 513 yards for the dawgs. Even a great team couldnt look anything like they did with Herschel.
It goes to show how much of the UGA success was on both #34 and Erk Russell.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:07 pm to meansonny
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I think you are confusing buck belue and jake coker as wildcat QBs. Lol
I don't think you understand how the Wildcat works. The RB takes the snap from the shotgun formation while the QB lines up out wide. Darren McFadden helped pioneer this formation in the SEC while Mark Ingram cemented his Heisman Trophy running out of the Wildcat for an entire drive.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:16 pm to meansonny
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He had success despite the defense keying 11 guys on him every game. Im shocked that gump fans are disputing this.
If Walker was better why is Henry a better NFL back?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:22 pm to RollTide1987
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I don't think you understand how the Wildcat works. The RB takes the snap from the shotgun formation while the QB lines up out wide. Darren McFadden helped pioneer this formation in the SEC while Mark Ingram cemented his Heisman Trophy running out of the Wildcat for an entire drive.
There is the wildcat. And then there are wildcat QBs.
Tebow, Cam, Griffin III. They are QBs who would run the exact same Wing T plays from wildcat playbook.
I didnt follow bama closely under Hurts. I dont know if he was running those plays or not. He killed us on the QB draw in the 4th quarter of the SECCG.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:23 pm to mbogo
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He had success despite the defense keying 11 guys on him every game. Im shocked that gump fans are disputing this.
If Walker was better why is Henry a better NFL back?
I never said walker was better.
Who are you responding to?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:58 pm to meansonny
You don't think Walker was better than Henry? You see to be arguing it.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:59 pm to RollTide1987
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The best RBs I have witnessed in my life have all played from 1997 (when I started watching football) and into the present day.
That tells me all I need to know.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:04 pm to mbogo
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You don't think Walker was better than Henry? You see to be arguing it.
I specifically said that i havent argued it but am joyfully responding to the idiotic claims by bama fans trying to argue down Herschel.
I.e. there are 25-30 runningbacks since with the same athleticism.
He is successful because he has run blocking receivers where Henry has to do his work behind pass pro offensive linemen.
Numbers are numbers. It doesnt matter if the safeties are 15+ yards off the line of scrimmage or 7 yards. The run blocking linemen and ends can account and neutralize them the same because they practice.
Running is easier with run blocking wide receivers versus an offense designed to pass the ball half of the time to keep defenses honest.
There are quite a few gump gems in here as you can imagine.
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