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re: AU's Dee Ford calls Clowney "Blind dog in a meat market"
Posted on 3/4/14 at 4:14 pm to gamecocks22
Posted on 3/4/14 at 4:14 pm to gamecocks22
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Again, I was referring to what I heard while watching the combine, is that the clock is still started by a human.
1. I was talking to GenesChin
2. The laser is started by a human? lol wut? Every laser timer I've ever done has had a laser at the start and at the finish.
But, I will humor that argument. So are you saying that the NFL official running the clock at pro days is skewing times more than at the NFL combine?
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 4:16 pm to parkjas2001
impressive side-by-side stats
Posted on 3/4/14 at 4:20 pm to GenesChin
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Y'all clearly have no clue how statistics work if you took tha combine vs pro day seriously. There is no way you could regress something that correlates 40 times at pro and combine. Your estimator would be incredibly bias due to the sample size. The sample of players who ran at both combine and pro day is a ridiculously biased sample set. Like Greg Robinson or Tre Mason, those who know how fast they are and believe they ran at, near or below their fastest will not run the 40 at their pro day. Only guys who believe they can improve their 40 time will do it Therefore there is a bias in the estimator rendering that stat completely useless as written unless adjusted
So basically every players that has needed a faster 40 to raise their draft stock beats their combine score? Interesting. Why do guys run at the combine then?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 4:20 pm to MrAUTigers
How is this thread still going? I think everyone can agree that Clowney is a significantly better prospect than Ford. He just carries more downside risk..
Posted on 3/4/14 at 4:23 pm to NCBama
quote:I was just going to ask this. Amazing a thread can go 16 pages basically arguing over who can run faster and jump higher
How is this thread still going
Posted on 3/4/14 at 4:42 pm to GenesChin
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Don't forget that Dee benched 29 reps to Clowney's 21(?)
Gravity is heavier in Indianapolis than Auburn.
Ford had it easy.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 4:42 pm to BamaDoc14
Well you see you are given two runs at the combine. If someone runs a time they are satisfied with then there's no need to run at the pro-day. Conversely, if someone has two bad runs at the combine that's it, they're done and they look bad. But the pro-day allows for two additional runs to improve on their bad ones. I'm about to go real scientific and use some pretty advanced statistics so grab your pants and hang on. You have a greater chance of running a faster time in 4 attempts than 2. I know it's heavy, but let it sink in. If you study on it long enough I know it will make sense.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:01 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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How many games did each actually play? I would venture a guess that Clowney has actually appeared in more games than Ford (obviously this is an estimate) Dee has actually played very few games, even though he has been at Auburn a while. His injury history is his biggest concern.
You would be wrong.
Clowney was in 36 games in three years at Carolina to Ford's 52 games in five years. In 52 games Ford had 20.5 sacks and 27.5 TFL. In 36 games Clowney had 24 sacks and 47 TFL.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:02 pm to CockInYourEar
quote:Not only are you obviously mad, but you are also grasping for straws and reaching.
but not as loose as Dee Ford who is floppy vagina that can't backup the queef that came out of him.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:10 pm to parkjas2001
quote:ESPN, for once, knows what's up!
BTW, never have I ever stated that Dee Ford is a better prospect than Jadeveon Clowney. Jadeveon Clowney is just lazy and doesn't go full speed every play, whereas Dee Ford does. Dee Ford outplayed Jadeveon Clowney by a mile this year, and has mainly been hindered by injuries throughout his career (missed 2 games this year from a sprained MCL). Both are risky prospects to draft. Dee Ford because of size and past injury concerns, Jadeveon Clowney because he doesn't willingly give it all he has and there are concerns around his "want to" during practice and games.
All I said was that I wouldn't be surprised if Dee Ford ran faster, and that I would bet he would. And he matched Jadeveon Clowney's 40 time, which isn't surprising.
Also, I'm not too sure Jadeveon Clowney will even run at South Carolina's PRO Day unless he is not satisfied with his NFL Combine time.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:13 pm to TTsTowel
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Also, I'm not too sure Jadeveon Clowney will even run at South Carolina's PRO Day unless he is not satisfied with his NFL Combine time.
Wouldn't you be? He's as slow as Dee Ford in the eyes of the NFL now...
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:18 pm to TTsTowel
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ESPN, for once, knows what's up!
ESPN is only right when they say something nice about your favorite team. That's true for this whole board.Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:22 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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humor the argument
Its not an argument. Its a question that I haven't gotten a correct answer to that I am curious about. Just saying...what I heard is that they start the clock by hand. I mentioned I may have heard it wrong. Not saying it is fact or trying to argue. The guy running the drill kept stopping them if they didn't hold their arm back for 3 seconds because after the pause is when he clock starts. I remember hearing something that they start the clock on the first movement after the pause and I THOUGHT they said it was started by human, which confused me at the time as well. Again, I probably misunderstood but would love to know for sure instead of getting sarcasm about NFL officials skewing numbers.
Do the official numbers at pro day take as long to come out as they did at the combine?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:22 pm to CockRocket
quote:You're trying too hard.
Wouldn't you be? He's as slow as Dee Ford in the eyes of the NFL now...
quote:Yea, you're right, it's stupid to compare two, future, NFL, first-round picks...there's really no reason for it, even though one outproduced the other and it wasn't even close (while missing 2 games).
ESPN is only right when they say something nice about your favorite team. That's true for this whole board.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:25 pm to TTsTowel
Ford > clown
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:27 pm to Nortizzle
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Ford > clown
They do produce a special kind of stupid at the Clemson West Campus...
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:28 pm to Loathor
Y'all sure do have Clemson on your mind a lot, don't you?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:29 pm to Loathor
quote:I hope you try this hard in your 9th grade Biology class.
They do produce a special kind of stupid at the Clemson West Campus...
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:30 pm to TTsTowel
Lets not go down this road again TTs. :ChrisHanson:
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:31 pm to TTsTowel
quote:For one season. And something has to be said about Clowney getting multiple double teams, chips, TE help, etc. on basically every play (you wouldn't know the extent of it, not having watched a lot of SC games).
even though one outproduced the other and it wasn't even close (while missing 2 games).
Also, Clowney missed two games as well, which means Ford got an extra game on him.
Also, this whole "one season to compare them" is stupid. Yeah, let's compare a 5th year senior to a junior and not even compare their best years, just their most recent.
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