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re: All-Time NCAA Men’s Basketball Program Rankings

Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:41 pm to
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13. Florida- 122.0 (will pass AZ with a win tonight)
Florida is such a weird athletic program to evaluate...

First 2/3 of their history, they were also-rans, bordering on cupcake at times. Now, they've skyrocketed in every major sport, to where they could be elite in anything they want.
Posted by Granola
Member since Jan 2024
1656 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:42 pm to
Florida had an elite AD in Jeremey Foley who really pushed them ahead in many sports. Now they have Strickland
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:46 pm to
Here's some all-time for you:

UF: 2 NCAA titles, 6 Final 4s, 53 NCAAT wins
Arky: 1 NCAA title, 6 Final 4s, 52 NCAAT wins

Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:55 pm to
Holy Shite. I went back to look at all-time appearances in the AP Poll between 1949-1974 to compare programs from the SEC and the Southwest Conference…

Kentucky (263 weekly appearances), Vanderbilt (115), Mississippi State (57), Tennessee (57), Alabama (56), LSU (30), and Auburn (29) all were ranked more often than ANY team from the Southwestern Conference.

SMU was ranked in the AP Poll 25 times between 1949-1974, by far the most of any SWC team during the period. Arkansas had just 4 weekly appearances between 1949-1974 and Texas had just one.

Yet all of these SWC programs were racking up Sweet 16 after Sweet 16 because they were essentially a mid-major who was guaranteed a spot in the small NCAA Tournament field, year after year.

This is why you have to discount those seasons compared to the modern era.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:56 pm to
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Are you sure that's Arkansas fans?


Yes. See TriStateAreaFootball’s post above.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
2471 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Here's some all-time for you:

UF: 2 NCAA titles, 6 Final 4s, 53 NCAAT wins

Arky: 1 NCAA title, 6 Final 4s, 52 NCAAT wins


Yes. Very close, with Florida slightly ahead.

So my rankings of Florida #13 and Arkansas #15 line up perfectly with those stats.
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
23935 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:06 pm to
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SMU was ranked in the AP Poll 25 times between 1949-1974, by far the most of any SWC team during the period. Arkansas had just 4 weekly appearances between 1949-1974 and Texas had just one.


Actually that’s pretty interesting. 1974 was when Frank Broyles decided to make basketball competitive and renovated Barnhill arena and hired Eddie Sutton. That was the point that the program took off. What happened before then was forgettable. In fact I was in high school in 74 and don’t remember watching any Arkansas basketball. I do remember the coaches name being Lanny van emon though. They weren’t good.
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:09 pm to
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Again, if a conference lacked a dominant program and had more parity across the league, it enables all teams to rack up a lot of Sweet 16’s, Elite 8’s, and often even Final Four’s by only winning one tournament game.


I did a post a week or two ago compiling the number of sweet sixteens post expansion.

The subject was Notre Dame I believe and programs who claimed Elite Eights when only eight teams were invited. Most all programs outside of Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA (especially), and may be one or two others, magnified their tourney success after the 1975 NCAAt expansion.

I’ll see if I can find that thread/post.


Edit: Found thread. My work is towards the end of this thread.

Sweet Sixteen thread
This post was edited on 4/7/25 at 3:12 pm
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
2471 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 4:44 pm to
So just for kicks, here is what the rankings of just the modern era (1985-2025) look like, since the Tournament expanded to 64 teams.

Program Rankings in the Modern Era:

1. Duke- 264.0
2. North Carolina- 230.0
3. Kansas- 199.5
4. Kentucky- 188.5
5. UConn- 175.5
6. Michigan St- 148
7. Arizona- 123.5
8. Syracuse- 123.0
9. Florida- 122.0

***A win tonight moves Florida ahead of both Syracuse and Arizona into 7th place**

10. Villanova- 118.5
11. UCLA- 117.0
12. Indiana- 90.0
13. Michigan- 88.0
14. Arkansas- 87.0
15. Gonzaga- 85.5
16. Oklahoma- 80.5
17. Wisconsin- 75.5
18. Louisville- 75.5
18. Purdue- 75.5
20. Maryland- 72.0
21. Texas- 67.5
21. Illinois- 67.5
23. Georgetown- 64.5
24. UNLV- 61.5
25. Virginia- 58.5

Other SEC
27. Alabama- 52.0
35. LSU- 46.0
36. Tennessee- 45.0
39. Auburn. 44.0
51. Missouri- 34.5
64. Miss St- 26.0
68. Vanderbilt- 22.5
70. Texas A&M- 20.5
82. Georgia- 15.5
85. South Carolina- 15.0
89. Ole Miss- 14.0

SEC obviously looks a lot stronger since the field expanded.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
16256 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 4:54 pm to
Plus Kentucky had no problem playing against integrated teams. Mississippi State had to decline at least one and sneak out to go to another thanks to the dumbass legislature.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
7301 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:35 pm to
Good stuff…
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