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Boise State Article by 247 on Harsin. Lettuce discuss
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:26 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:26 am
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Truth be told, this type of season has been coming for a while now. Boise State is depleted in the trenches on both sides. The defensive line is thin at skill and experience, and the offensive line has been a bugaboo for four or five years now. And don’t even get me started on the linebackers. Outside of the receivers, the defensive secondary, and sometimes the running backs, BSU no longer has the most talent in the Mountain West.
Why? It boils down largely to former head coach Bryan Harsin. Don’t get me wrong, the current coaching staff is to blame for the game day hiccups and lack of attention to details, but the lack of talent at the two most important position groups on a team can be directly traced back to Harsin and his staff.
For years we have heard rumors that he is a jerk and difficult to work for. The revolving door of assistant coaches who have worked for him, the emails obtained through FOIA requests, and the comments from former coaches all confirm this point. The way he treats the media is confirmation enough.
When you can’t keep coaches on the staff because you are miserable to work under, you have to keep hiring new coaches. And when word gets out that you’re not a nice person, people don’t want to apply for your job opening. And when the applicant pool is shallow, you end up with guys like Brad Bedell, Winston Venable, and Eric Kiesau on staff.
And when you have coaches who can’t quite hack it on staff, your recruiting suffers, and your player development lacks. It has become clear the recruiting misses at positions of importance are directly related to the coaches on staff. This is how Boise State ended up with one of the worst performing offensive lines in the country, and certainly the worst ever at the school."
"Yes, I am saying Harsin built a house of cards and bailed when he saw wind begin to blow."
Is this noise or should we be concerned?
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:29 am to jangalang
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Is this noise or should we be concerned?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:32 am to jangalang
He appears already to be a better game manager and developer of talent than Gus. He’s an upgrade in my opinion. Harsin gets all the chances at Auburn until he doesn’t.
Whoever wrote this was shilling for the media and looking for clicks. Successful leaders aren’t always adored.
Whoever wrote this was shilling for the media and looking for clicks. Successful leaders aren’t always adored.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:34 am to jangalang
Sounds mostly like a lot of sour grapes, but i'm sure there is some legitimacy in some of it to some degree.
Boise's problem is the allure of boise isn't there anymore. When they were pretty much the only mid major making any noise, they were a destination. That isn't the case anymore. All sorts of mid-tier programs offer just as much as they do now.
Boise's problem is the allure of boise isn't there anymore. When they were pretty much the only mid major making any noise, they were a destination. That isn't the case anymore. All sorts of mid-tier programs offer just as much as they do now.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:35 am to jangalang
I read this. There has always been a percent of BSU fans that thought Harsin should do more. Their expectations can be a bit unrealistic. AA hasn't coached well this season. He should have beat UCF. At the end of the day, it is the current HC's responsibility to adapt to his roster. BSU's OC isn't a fit for how their roster is built, and he didn't adjust his strategy.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:36 am to slacker130
Only betas are concerned about noise. Clear the mechanism.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:40 am to jangalang
Possibly all true, maybe his last couple years recruiting he took his foot off the gas because he was wanting to be in a big time conference and looking for a way out
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:41 am to GoCrazyAuburn
It concerns me that he didn’t leave Noise State in great shape.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:47 am to auburnnyc94
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Possibly all true, maybe his last couple years recruiting he took his foot off the gas because he was wanting to be in a big time conference and looking for a way out
I just don’t think that’s very professional and a character flaw. Dameyune brought in 4 stud recruits on his way out the door. The school, the boosters, and the fans depended on Harsin to coach and to recruit in their best interest
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:52 am to jangalang
Looking at their roster, it doesn't look terribly depleted. I know nothing about the players other than their 247 ratings, but it looks like what i'd expect a Boise roster to look like.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:53 am to jangalang
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I just don’t think that’s very professional and a character flaw.
Well, how about we not just make assumptions first and foremost
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:53 am to jangalang
I imagine there’s few coaches that leave for a big promotion and the program stays the same or gets better. I suppose Boise is more used to the new guy coming in and picking up where the last guy left off, though. All programs (aside from one or two?) have down seasons as well.
On the coaches thing, it’s hard to fully believe that narrative considering half of the staff at Auburn worked with him previously at Boise or wanted to work with him because they knew him from coaching circles (Bobo, Mason). I suppose time will tell
I like Harsin. Not building any statues yet but the road SEC wins have me fully onboard so far
On the coaches thing, it’s hard to fully believe that narrative considering half of the staff at Auburn worked with him previously at Boise or wanted to work with him because they knew him from coaching circles (Bobo, Mason). I suppose time will tell
I like Harsin. Not building any statues yet but the road SEC wins have me fully onboard so far
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:56 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Well, how about we not just make assumptions first and foremost
I was responding to this
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Possibly all true
As for their talent, article says Harsin recruited Boise out of being the the most talented team in the Mountain West.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:57 am to jangalang
I’m pretty sure he made it known publicly to the school that the football facility was costing him in recruiting aspect. Even to the point that he was looking for new employment opportunities if they weren’t going to make changes. The only part of Auburn’s facilities that needs addressing is our stadium and that isn’t really that much of a talking point.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:00 am to plazadweller
If true then the article is just noise.
If not true there is plenty in that article to not like.
OL horrible for years? We just fired that guy
If not true there is plenty in that article to not like.
OL horrible for years? We just fired that guy
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:01 am to jangalang
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As for their talent, article says Harsin recruited Boise out of being the the most talented team in the Mountain West.
Well, I went back to 2016 and Boise has led that conference in recruiting every single year. So, I don't know how accurate that statement is.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:06 am to jangalang
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It concerns me that he didn’t leave Noise State in great shape.
SO your basing your concern on one person's view? I know you wouldn't do that....
We weren't Boise followers. Maybe if we were, we might have a different view than this guy's take.
And there is no way that Harsin acts like the kind of coach that would slack up in the last few years in recruiting, not knowing at all if he would get another or better job offer.
And based on what we have heard from him in the last 10 months, and what we have seen in how these players now seem so much more disciplined, I don't see him slacking like this, because that doesn't seem to be in his personality or drive as a coach.
Now saying all that, we have seen history of our past coaches who have been here a long time, getting a little stale around that 10 year mark. Shug went through it. Dye went through(mostly bc of recruiting investigation). Tuberville went through it.
Sometimes these coaches get a second wind and sometimes, it's just time for new blood for the program or for the HC.
And another reason I'm not buying this guy's reasoning, is Harsin, based on his record the last 4 years, lost only 1 game at the most in the conference, and the last 2 he didn't lose a single conference game.
That doesn't sound like his recruiting was not very good and was going down hill....
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:06 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Yeah but they want to be better than the PAC 12 bruh
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:12 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Well, I went back to 2016 and Boise has led that conference in recruiting every single year. So, I don't know how accurate that statement is.
Apparently talent did not show up on the field?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 10:14 am to jangalang
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Apparently talent did not show up on the field?
What was his record at Boise?
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