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re: Auburn, Alabama, require vaccination all employees.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:29 am to allin2010
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:29 am to allin2010
My problem is this all started with the premise that being vaccinated will stop the spread and that’s simply not true. You can be fully vaccinated and be asymptomatic and still spread it. You are still spreading the virus. I got the vaccine because in my community we’ve been hit so hard I assumed I was going to get it based on the infection rates and wanted any type of defense against it. The vaccine isn’t going to stop me from spreading it to my coworkers.
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:25 pm to TemperdTiger
quote:but you are OK with my health judgements being taken away from me if YOU believe my actions are politically motivated.
I'm just not letting my political belief cloud my health judgement.
Such power you want over me. Do you not see how wicked that is
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:09 pm to ChexMix
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but you are OK with my health judgements being taken away from me if YOU believe my actions are politically motivated.
Well said
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:19 pm to TemperdTiger
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my ignorance is showing huh, right
Yes it is. You clearly don't understand the difference between the vaccines you are talking about, the diseases they are for, covid and why mandating such a thing is beyond unreasonable.
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I'm just not letting my political belief cloud my health judgement.
Cool. I don't let ignorance cloud my judgement, which is why mandating this vaccine is absurdly stupid.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:21 pm to ChexMix
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We are experiencing fascism, not Capitalism atm
Stop being such a snowflake. This is how America gets it done. It's about the money. The Pandemic is bad for the money.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:24 pm to 88TIger
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However, if it was so safe then it would have been approved already.
There is a two sided coin to a vaccine. Safety and Effectiveness...mRNA vaccines have no serious safety profile issues (30+ years of data) and minimal safety profiles now that billions of people in the world have them in their body.
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Oh and can you really call it a vax if I can still get covid after taking the shot?
Yes, Yes...like many, many, many other vaccines. The Flu vaccine ranges from 40-60% effective most years.
This thread isn't disappointing.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:25 pm to plazadweller
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My problem is this all started with the premise that being vaccinated will stop the spread and that’s simply not true. You can be fully vaccinated and be asymptomatic and still spread it. You are still spreading the virus. I got the vaccine because in my community we’ve been hit so hard I assumed I was going to get it based on the infection rates and wanted any type of defense against it. The vaccine isn’t going to stop me from spreading it to my coworkers.
There is a reason the flu vaccine has never been federally mandated in its current form.
There is no point mandating a vaccine that does not stop transmission or infection, has waning efficacy over a short period of time, for a respiratory virus that has a natural animal reservoir to develop variants. Covid vaccine and Covid have all these factors.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:25 pm to Tigerman97
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The Pandemic is bad for the money.
Which is exactly what the government wants. "Build Back Better", "Great Reset", whatever name you want to call it. Tear it all down and build it back how they want it.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:27 pm to RandySavage
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Which is exactly what the government wants. "Build Back Better", "Great Reset", whatever name you want to call it. Tear it all down and build it back how they want it.
Did the government cause the pandemic in an attempt to tear it down and build it back better?
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:27 pm to Tigerman97
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Yes, Yes...like many, many, many other vaccines. The Flu vaccine ranges from 40-60% effective most years.
Do you support a federal mandate on the flu vaccine?
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:28 pm to Tigerman97
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Stop being such a snowflake. This is how America gets it done. It's about the money. The Pandemic is bad for the money.
The lack of awareness in this post is astounding.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:32 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Do you support a federal mandate on the flu vaccine?
I don't support a mandate for the COVID vaccine. However, I know they damn well have they power to do it. As many on here probably didn't figure out or may still not understand COVID is remarkably more serious than the flu. Every data point suggest this...that was true in February of 2020 when it was ravaging Italy. It was true in the summer of 2020 and the winter of 2021 and even the summer of 2021.. among the unvaccinated. The vaccinated data in the summer of 2021 made COVID way more like a bad flu season. The power mentioned earlier lies in the reality that data suggest the severity of the public health risk.
To people that work in immunological fields the only surprise in this pandemic has been we don't have them more often.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:37 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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The lack of awareness in this post is astounding.
It's not shocking we disagree. However, the hand ringing over the nonsense around this disease and the vaccine is snowflake behavior.
I realize everyone isn't the same but my guess is the vast majority of those opposed to the vaccine and/or mandate also believed it wasn't serious March-May 2020...then that it was only an Old Persons issue June-September 2020...then said things like it would go away after the election October-November 2020...then said it will go away when Biden is finally in office and the liberals stop talking about it December 2020-March 2021.
How many times do you choose wrong before you just look at the info and make the common sense choice? It is serious. The vaccine is safe and effective. This is America if I don't take it I might lose my job and eventually my kid might not be able to go to school.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:40 pm to Tigerman97
That's the million dollar question isn't it? I certainly wouldn't be surprised.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:41 pm to Tigerman97
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I don't support a mandate for the COVID vaccine
Says the person that argued we should let Harsin go for not forcing our entire team to get the vaccine. Okay bud. Also, first page.
quote:So clearly, you do support mandating the vaccine at some point.
Elections have consequences. Sounds like good policy.
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As many on here probably didn't figure out or may still not understand COVID is remarkably more serious than the flu. Every data point suggest this...that was true in February of 2020 when it was ravaging Italy. It was true in the summer of 2020 and the winter of 2021 and even the summer of 2021.
The fact you even type this with a straight face is beyond ridiculous. It may or may not be, but you have absolutely zero way of truly knowing this, if you had any knowledge whatsoever as to how flu numbers are tracked and compiled. Also, nobody has argued this one way or the other in this thread to my knowledge and I certainly have not, so i'm not really sure what point you are trying to make.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:44 pm to Tigerman97
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However, the hand ringing over the nonsense around this disease and the vaccine is snowflake behavior.
Not wanting to force people to take a vaccine that does not stop transmission or eliminate the threat of the virus is snowflake behavior to you?
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I realize everyone isn't the same but my guess is the vast majority of those opposed to the vaccine and/or mandate also believed it wasn't serious March-May 2020...then that it was only an Old Persons issue June-September 2020...then said things like it would go away after the election October-November 2020...then said it will go away when Biden is finally in office and the liberals stop talking about it December 2020-March 2021.
K. Fun strawman.
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How many times do you choose wrong before you just look at the info and make the common sense choice? It is serious. The vaccine is safe and effective. This is America if I don't take it I might lose my job and eventually my kid might not be able to go to school.
I'll repeat my previous comment. The lack of awareness in this is astounding.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:49 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Says the person that argued we should let Harsin go for not forcing our entire team to get the vaccine. Okay bud. Also, first page.
I never said that...not ever.
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So clearly, you do support mandating the vaccine at some point.
I know that it is very American to impose requirements to do things. If a business or employer wants to mandate they have that right. Workers can choose to go some other place. They also have that right.
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The fact you even type this with a straight face is beyond ridiculous. It may or may not be, but you have absolutely zero way of truly knowing this, if you had any knowledge whatsoever as to how flu numbers are tracked and compiled. Also, nobody has argued this one way or the other, so i'm not really sure what point you are trying to make.
You were making a wise assertion that we don't mandate vaccines for viruses where the vaccine often decrease in their effectiveness over time. I was suggesting that the reality that COVID is considerably more serious than the FLU is why that approach is being taken.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:51 pm to Tigerman97
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I know that it is very American to impose requirements to do things. If a business or employer wants to mandate they have that right. Workers can choose to go some other place. They also have that right.
So you actually do support the federal mandate. Stop lying then.
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You were making a wise assertion that we don't mandate vaccines for viruses where the vaccine often decrease in their effectiveness over time. I was suggesting that the reality that COVID is considerably more serious than the FLU is why that approach is being taken.
I'm not surprised you don't understand the point of my post. I'll let you try again if you want.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:51 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Not wanting to force people to take a vaccine that does not stop transmission or eliminate the threat of the virus is snowflake behavior to you?
Both things you said are not correct. The vaccine reduces transmission rates which will always slow the spread. You might believe fully vaccinated people were driving the summer spike but all the data that exist states the transmission was driven in unvaccinated people.
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I realize everyone isn't the same but my guess is the vast majority of those opposed to the vaccine and/or mandate also believed it wasn't serious March-May 2020...then that it was only an Old Persons issue June-September 2020...then said things like it would go away after the election October-November 2020...then said it will go away when Biden is finally in office and the liberals stop talking about it December 2020-March 2021.
K. Fun strawman.
My hypothetical ideal must have felt familiar to you.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:53 pm to Tigerman97
Harsin on Auburn University's new vaccine mandate: "I'm aware of the new policy. I appreciate you have to ask the question and understand it, but that doesn't change. The executive order, that doesn't change the fact I'm not going to discuss any individual's status"
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