re: Saban just a shitty motivator?

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If Joe Pa or Bowden ever retired, you think they would live long there after ?

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I would hope so, but maybe not.

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ETA: If either one retired and dies, you think they the school's fanbase would be like Alabaama and Bear ?

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No. There is too much parity now and they have not dominated like the Bear. Their are many that have said for years they have been there too long already. I think they will be appreciated more as the years go by but never to the extent Bear is.

Plus Bear left a few years removed from back to back championships.