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Why crocodiles have changed so little since the age of the dinosaurs
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:49 pm
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Crocodiles today look very similar to ones from the Jurassic period some 200 million years ago. There are also very few species alive today -- just 25. Other animals such as lizards and birds have achieved a diversity of many thousands of species in the same amount of time or less.
Prehistory also saw types of crocodile we don't see today, including giants as big as dinosaurs, plant-eaters, fast runners and serpentine forms that lived in the sea.
In the new research, published today in the journal Nature Communications Biology, the scientists explain how crocodiles follow a pattern of evolution known as 'punctuated equilibrium'.
The rate of their evolution is generally slow, but occasionally they evolve more quickly because the environment has changed. In particular, this new research suggests that their evolution speeds up when the climate is warmer, and that their body size increases.
Lead author Dr Max Stockdale from the University of Bristol's School of Geographical Sciences, said: "Our analysis used a machine learning algorithm to estimate rates of evolution. Evolutionary rate is the amount of change that has taken place over a given amount of time, which we can work out by comparing measurements from fossils and taking into account how old they are.
"For our study we measured body size, which is important because it interacts with how fast animals grow, how much food they need, how big their populations are and how likely they are to become extinct."
The findings show that the limited diversity of crocodiles and their apparent lack of evolution is a result of a slow evolutionary rate. It seems the crocodiles arrived at a body plan that was very efficient and versatile enough that they didn't need to change it in order to survive.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:56 pm to Trumansfangs
Well duh.
Their environment has not changed sufficiently for mutations to be a factor in their survival. If we ever have another Ice Age that covers most of the planet, then crocs can likely kiss it goodbye.
Their environment has not changed sufficiently for mutations to be a factor in their survival. If we ever have another Ice Age that covers most of the planet, then crocs can likely kiss it goodbye.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 4:36 pm to GurleyGirl
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Their environment has not changed sufficiently for mutations to be a factor in their survival. If we ever have another Ice Age that covers most of the planet, then crocs can likely kiss it goodbye.
Or not. They've survived multiple Ice Ages. We know, from recent research and footage, that American Alligators can survive having their pond frozen over just fine thank you. They have survived climate changes from the time of the Dinosaurs till now just fine. It is them and sharks and the sharks might be sucking hind tit in this one.
The biggest threats crocodiles have faced is... well... us. We are smart enough and wide spread enough to actually cause their numbers to decline to the level only an extinction event causes. Though, it should be noted, we are, evidently, an extinction level event as a species.
What we do know is that while we can push crocodilian species to the breaking point if we let up for a short period of time they bounce right back. Alligators were greatly endangered once upon a time not that long ago. Now they freely roam the golf courses of the South.
We can, it is certain, if we work at it, take the Crocodiles with us if we die as a species. It is far more likely they outlive us and finally shuffle off this mortal coil when the Earth can no longer support large multi-cell creatures.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 9:47 am to Trumansfangs
Crocs are not very diverse but there are some species that are down to a single type. Aardvarks, aye-ayes, and humans are among the species with no close living relatives.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:12 pm to Trumansfangs
'Cause who the hell is going to make them?
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:51 am to Trumansfangs
Their women are content..
Posted on 1/19/21 at 4:33 pm to Hardy_Har
So, with Al Gore telling us that my pickup truck is causing our atmosphere to heat up, we should be seeing 75' crocs here shortly, right?
Posted on 1/20/21 at 12:28 am to SoFla Tideroller
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So, with Al Gore telling us that my pickup truck is causing our atmosphere to heat up, we should be seeing 75' crocs here shortly, right?
Why do people misunderstand things on purpose and then say they sound stupid?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:25 am to Trumansfangs
Gee, I don't know, Cyril. Maybe deep down I'm afraid of any apex predator that lived through the K-T extinction. Physically unchanged for a hundred million years, because it's the perfect killing machine. A half ton of cold-blooded fury, the bite force of 20,000 Newtons, and stomach acid so strong it can dissolve bones and hoofs.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:06 pm to LewDawg
They haven’t changed because they’re so ornery.
And they’re so ornery cause they got all those teeth and no toothbrush
And they’re so ornery cause they got all those teeth and no toothbrush
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:55 am to Trumansfangs
quote:So what's been said in all those words is:
It seems the crocodiles arrived at a body plan that was very efficient and versatile enough that they didn't need to change it in order to survive.
Why change? Up til now, everything's been pretty much ok
Posted on 2/4/21 at 12:51 pm to coachcrisp
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Why change? Up til now, everything's been pretty much ok
The thing is... they have changed. In a lot of small ways.
There were crocs, not that long ago, that would have made you poop yourself if you saw them. We are talking 40+ foot long monsters that could swallow you in a single gulp.
The basic body type though, that works. So, you have big crocs when there is a lot of big prey, and small crocs where there is a lot of small prey.
The thing is... with crocs, you have the dreaded medium size crocs/alligators that are just fine eating smaller prey but will happily kill and eat your arse.
I will post something on this later but they are like crabs... and most "crabs" aren't actually crabs. They are perfectly adapted to their environment. With even a little breathing room they thrive.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:04 pm to Arksulli
paraphrased Fun fact crab anatomy has evolved independently 6-7? times. There's a joking law of evolution that everything will eventually evolve into a crab.
Posted on 2/6/21 at 5:13 am to Arksulli
quote:However they've always remained strict carnivore's ... which kicks specialty diet's like paleo, keto, and vegan in the teeth.
The thing is... they have changed. In a lot of small ways.
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