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re: Whats really stopping South Carolina from Being Good in Football?

Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
15585 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:10 pm to
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Clemson was in a spot that being slightly more committed to football than peers in football was enough with Miami and FSU committing program suicide to win enough to start the national prominence ball rolling. They then fed off it.


Then UGA failed to do that when they had that chance when Missouri won the East twice! It is still going on but each year window is closing in very fast!
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 3:12 pm
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
25112 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:20 pm to
Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Ohio State and Clemson come out and poach the talent nationwide. If location was everything, why would Miami ever be bad?
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 3:26 pm
Posted by El_Tigre94
Member since Aug 2019
557 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:27 pm to
South Carolina just isn't an attractive place to coach. They're little bros in the East and little bros in the state. Becasue of their losing tradition, they have a hard time stacking up on 4/5 star talent.
Posted by Priapus
Member since Oct 2012
1950 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:29 pm to
It has always been our leadership's inability to stoop down (in their minds) to the dirty little game of modern college football. They feel that they are above wasting their valuable time on such low pursuits. Hire an obedient Athletic Director to wallow in the mud with the other pigs and forget about it until Saturday.

Saturday comes where you make a show of walking like an Eastern Potentate trailing a crowd of worshipers to your skybox where you largely ignore what is going on between the goalposts.

This is in Columbia, South Freaking Carolina. As if anyone, anywhere, considers them above much of anything at all.

Posted by thompy
Memphis,TN
Member since Jun 2012
98 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:30 pm to
Kirby was going to take the SC job until UGA opened up, or at least Sexton let UGAs brass think he was going to take SC job. It would be interesting to see what that would have looked like.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
92769 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:30 pm to
SOS made y’all pretty damn good.

Lack of a great coach
In state talent isn’t as abundant as states like Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Ms, Florida.

Having to share the state with Clemson who is now a championship program and can take all the top in state talent
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27555 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:32 pm to
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Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Ohio State and Clemson come out and poach the talent nationwide


That's a completely different point.

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location mattered so much, why would Miami ever be bad?


It certainly is important but you gotta have facilities, coaching and a friendly administration to go along with it.

All things being equal, would you rather have FB program located in Indiana or South Carolina if you wanna build a competitive P5 program?

You don't think Clemson hasn't benefited from being on the boarder with Georgia or being close to Florida?
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12278 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:42 pm to
I think having to recruit against Clemson and Appalachian State is extremely tough for them. Students that aren't quiet good enough to make it to Clemson end up going to Appalachian State because it's in such an incredible area. Not much attraction to Columbia.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
25112 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:43 pm to
It's the same point. Talent pool is down overall, so the five or so school's that can actually win a NC will just poach the top talent leaving less overall for South Carolina. College football is basically women's basketball in terms of parity for championships.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 3:45 pm
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11913 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:50 pm to
We lose to Vanderbilt more often than Missouri, you are irrelevant.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27555 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:54 pm to
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It's the same point


No it isn't and there aren't any less 4 and 5 stars than there were 25+ years ago.

BTW,was Clemson "hoarding" 4 and 5 stars four years ago? Of course not

quote:

Talent pool is down overall


So SC can't win because California and Pennsylvania aren't producing 4 and 5 stars like they used to? This makes absolutely no sense.

BTW,look at who was "hoarding" talent in the 90's.It primarily schools like FSU and Tennessee...these things are always a changing dynamic.
Posted by SCgamecock2988
Member since Oct 2015
14479 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:03 pm to
Chicken curse
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
37977 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:19 pm to
The answer is and always has been our BOT structure. We have 1 BOT member per judicial circuit in the state, which means the circuits in the Upstate have as much voting power as those in the Midlands, despite a fraction of the fans and alums. All of these BOT members are selected by the legislature, which means they are political appointments for people loyal to the General Assembly, not the University. And last, there is no requirement that our BOT members have a degree from the University. The BOT member from my judicial circuit went to Sewanee.

Clemson has less BOT members than we do. Only half of their BOT members are selected by the legislature, while the other half are selected by the outgoing BOT member. These processes make coming to a consensus at Clemson far easier and make decisions up there far less political than they are here. Beyond this, Clemson's BOT has one major concern: to whip South Carolina's arse in football. South Carolina's BOT has two major concerns: enriching themselves and influence peddling.

The University of South Carolina will never win anything of note in football until there is a structural overhaul of our BOT. It will continue to be a job where re-tread coaches come at the end of their careers to make several million a year and be treated like a God for winning 8 games.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
16919 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:31 pm to
USC should be better.

I think it could happen.

A&M should be great.
Not sure what holds them back.
Posted by gambetti
Rojava
Member since Sep 2017
1136 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:40 pm to
I mean, it's recruiting mostly. South Carolina has had some good teams and you've won some big games hitting above your weight level. But it's going to be hard to get to that next level until Clemson comes back down to earth. It will happen eventually.
Posted by redeye
Member since Aug 2013
8609 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:49 pm to
Same reason all Big 6 schools are not more successful. They don't cheat enough.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Southeast Texas
Member since May 2020
10126 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 6:29 pm to
They’d need a combination of the right coaching staff and luck. By luck I mean Florida Georgia and the west powers to be down big time. It’s not as simple as people think.
Posted by Beached Tusky
Member since Oct 2016
1867 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 6:51 pm to
That weird Carolina BBQ sauce can't help too much.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51978 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 7:02 pm to
South Carolina will never be consistently good in football.

We just have to enjoy the rare run of success.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4555 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 7:06 pm to
For one thing, South Carolina just doesn’t have a lot of flash. Stadium, uniforms and mascot are all kind of blah. No real tradition, championships, or legendary players. State’s not very visible nationally.

Nothing naturally jumps out at you. And now with Clemson being as good a program as there is with a relatively young coach, you can count on a lot more mediocrity from South Carolina.
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