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re: Whats really stopping South Carolina from Being Good in Football?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:10 pm to lewis and herschel
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:10 pm to lewis and herschel
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Clemson was in a spot that being slightly more committed to football than peers in football was enough with Miami and FSU committing program suicide to win enough to start the national prominence ball rolling. They then fed off it.
Then UGA failed to do that when they had that chance when Missouri won the East twice! It is still going on but each year window is closing in very fast!
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:20 pm to RD Dawg
Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Ohio State and Clemson come out and poach the talent nationwide. If location was everything, why would Miami ever be bad?
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:27 pm to TrueLefty
South Carolina just isn't an attractive place to coach. They're little bros in the East and little bros in the state. Becasue of their losing tradition, they have a hard time stacking up on 4/5 star talent.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:29 pm to TrueLefty
It has always been our leadership's inability to stoop down (in their minds) to the dirty little game of modern college football. They feel that they are above wasting their valuable time on such low pursuits. Hire an obedient Athletic Director to wallow in the mud with the other pigs and forget about it until Saturday.
Saturday comes where you make a show of walking like an Eastern Potentate trailing a crowd of worshipers to your skybox where you largely ignore what is going on between the goalposts.
This is in Columbia, South Freaking Carolina. As if anyone, anywhere, considers them above much of anything at all.
Saturday comes where you make a show of walking like an Eastern Potentate trailing a crowd of worshipers to your skybox where you largely ignore what is going on between the goalposts.
This is in Columbia, South Freaking Carolina. As if anyone, anywhere, considers them above much of anything at all.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:30 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
Kirby was going to take the SC job until UGA opened up, or at least Sexton let UGAs brass think he was going to take SC job. It would be interesting to see what that would have looked like.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:30 pm to HalfCocked
SOS made y’all pretty damn good.
Lack of a great coach
In state talent isn’t as abundant as states like Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Ms, Florida.
Having to share the state with Clemson who is now a championship program and can take all the top in state talent
Lack of a great coach
In state talent isn’t as abundant as states like Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Ms, Florida.
Having to share the state with Clemson who is now a championship program and can take all the top in state talent
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:32 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Ohio State and Clemson come out and poach the talent nationwide
That's a completely different point.
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location mattered so much, why would Miami ever be bad?
It certainly is important but you gotta have facilities, coaching and a friendly administration to go along with it.
All things being equal, would you rather have FB program located in Indiana or South Carolina if you wanna build a competitive P5 program?
You don't think Clemson hasn't benefited from being on the boarder with Georgia or being close to Florida?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:42 pm to HalfCocked
I think having to recruit against Clemson and Appalachian State is extremely tough for them. Students that aren't quiet good enough to make it to Clemson end up going to Appalachian State because it's in such an incredible area. Not much attraction to Columbia.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:43 pm to RD Dawg
It's the same point. Talent pool is down overall, so the five or so school's that can actually win a NC will just poach the top talent leaving less overall for South Carolina. College football is basically women's basketball in terms of parity for championships.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:50 pm to TrueLefty
We lose to Vanderbilt more often than Missouri, you are irrelevant.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:54 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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It's the same point
No it isn't and there aren't any less 4 and 5 stars than there were 25+ years ago.
BTW,was Clemson "hoarding" 4 and 5 stars four years ago? Of course not
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Talent pool is down overall
So SC can't win because California and Pennsylvania aren't producing 4 and 5 stars like they used to? This makes absolutely no sense.
BTW,look at who was "hoarding" talent in the 90's.It primarily schools like FSU and Tennessee...these things are always a changing dynamic.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:19 pm to HalfCocked
The answer is and always has been our BOT structure. We have 1 BOT member per judicial circuit in the state, which means the circuits in the Upstate have as much voting power as those in the Midlands, despite a fraction of the fans and alums. All of these BOT members are selected by the legislature, which means they are political appointments for people loyal to the General Assembly, not the University. And last, there is no requirement that our BOT members have a degree from the University. The BOT member from my judicial circuit went to Sewanee.
Clemson has less BOT members than we do. Only half of their BOT members are selected by the legislature, while the other half are selected by the outgoing BOT member. These processes make coming to a consensus at Clemson far easier and make decisions up there far less political than they are here. Beyond this, Clemson's BOT has one major concern: to whip South Carolina's arse in football. South Carolina's BOT has two major concerns: enriching themselves and influence peddling.
The University of South Carolina will never win anything of note in football until there is a structural overhaul of our BOT. It will continue to be a job where re-tread coaches come at the end of their careers to make several million a year and be treated like a God for winning 8 games.
Clemson has less BOT members than we do. Only half of their BOT members are selected by the legislature, while the other half are selected by the outgoing BOT member. These processes make coming to a consensus at Clemson far easier and make decisions up there far less political than they are here. Beyond this, Clemson's BOT has one major concern: to whip South Carolina's arse in football. South Carolina's BOT has two major concerns: enriching themselves and influence peddling.
The University of South Carolina will never win anything of note in football until there is a structural overhaul of our BOT. It will continue to be a job where re-tread coaches come at the end of their careers to make several million a year and be treated like a God for winning 8 games.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:31 pm to HalfCocked
USC should be better.
I think it could happen.
A&M should be great.
Not sure what holds them back.
I think it could happen.
A&M should be great.
Not sure what holds them back.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:40 pm to HalfCocked
I mean, it's recruiting mostly. South Carolina has had some good teams and you've won some big games hitting above your weight level. But it's going to be hard to get to that next level until Clemson comes back down to earth. It will happen eventually.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:49 pm to HalfCocked
Same reason all Big 6 schools are not more successful. They don't cheat enough.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 6:29 pm to HalfCocked
They’d need a combination of the right coaching staff and luck. By luck I mean Florida Georgia and the west powers to be down big time. It’s not as simple as people think.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 6:51 pm to turnpiketiger
That weird Carolina BBQ sauce can't help too much.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 7:02 pm to HalfCocked
South Carolina will never be consistently good in football.
We just have to enjoy the rare run of success.
We just have to enjoy the rare run of success.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 7:06 pm to HalfCocked
For one thing, South Carolina just doesn’t have a lot of flash. Stadium, uniforms and mascot are all kind of blah. No real tradition, championships, or legendary players. State’s not very visible nationally.
Nothing naturally jumps out at you. And now with Clemson being as good a program as there is with a relatively young coach, you can count on a lot more mediocrity from South Carolina.
Nothing naturally jumps out at you. And now with Clemson being as good a program as there is with a relatively young coach, you can count on a lot more mediocrity from South Carolina.
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