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re: SEC teams your team has played the fewest times
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:51 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:51 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Florida--LSU and Auburn
Georgia--Auburn and Ole Miss
Kentucky--Mississippi State and LSU
South Carolina--Arkansas and Mississippi State
Tennessee--Arkansas and Alabama
Vanderbilt--Ole Miss and Alabama
Alabama--Tennessee and Vanderbilt
Arkansas--South Carolina and Tennessee
Auburn--Georgia and Florida
LSU--Florida and Kentucky
Ole Miss--Vanderbilt and Georgia
Mississippi State--Kentucky and South Carolina
These were the cd perms back when it was a 12 team conf. & 5-2-1 rotation.
Georgia--Auburn and Ole Miss
Kentucky--Mississippi State and LSU
South Carolina--Arkansas and Mississippi State
Tennessee--Arkansas and Alabama
Vanderbilt--Ole Miss and Alabama
Alabama--Tennessee and Vanderbilt
Arkansas--South Carolina and Tennessee
Auburn--Georgia and Florida
LSU--Florida and Kentucky
Ole Miss--Vanderbilt and Georgia
Mississippi State--Kentucky and South Carolina
These were the cd perms back when it was a 12 team conf. & 5-2-1 rotation.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 4:05 pm to Scoob
But was it set by the SEC who plays whom in each year...or left up to the schools to decide their schedule?
Posted on 6/7/20 at 7:55 pm to southernboisb
quote:Pretty sure it was up to the schools.
But was it set by the SEC who plays whom in each year...or left up to the schools to decide their schedule?
Posted on 6/7/20 at 9:23 pm to Scoob
Then how can it be a format/formula if the only thing you request is the # of games/year?
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:56 am to southernboisb
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But was it set by the SEC who plays whom in each year...or left up to the schools to decide their schedule?
Not sure if it was set up by the SEC but the schedule has been pretty much standard since 1974. The only exceptions were '76 and '77 where Alabama and Ole Miss played an additional game which counted in the standings. They did the same in '80 and '81 but those games didn't count. Prior to 1973, some schools played extra games. Alabama did it the most by rotating Ole Miss, Georgia and Florida on to the schedule frequently. In '72 and '73, Alabama played everyone except Ole Miss.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:32 am to beatbammer
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Anybody still want to argue that Auburn hasn’t had the most difficult SEC schedule historically? Chime in now and show your work.
Mississippi State's is more difficult by far.
Auburn
Missouri -- 3
Texas A&M -- 10
South Carolina -- 12
Arkansas -- 29
Kentucky -- 33
Vanderbilt -- 43
Mississippi -- 44
Tennessee -- 53
LSU -- 54
Alabama -- 84
Florida -- 84
Mississippi State -- 93
Georgia -- 124
399 games vs Big 6
Mississippi State
Missouri -- 3
Texas A&M -- 13
South Carolina -- 16
Vanderbilt -- 22
Georgia -- 24
Arkansas -- 30
Tennessee -- 46
Kentucky -- 47
Florida -- 55
Auburn -- 93
Alabama -- 103
LSU -- 113
Mississippi -- 116
550 games vs Big 6, and a HUGE majority of them were away games.
From 1932 to 1957, State played Bama 2 times in Mississippi and 20 times in Alabama.
From 1905 to 1962, State played Auburn 3 times in Mississippi and 33 times in Alabama.
From 1931 to 1970, State played LSU 3 times in Mississippi and 36 times in Louisiana, including 26 in a row.
Despite the rivalries, State has played Bama more than Auburn has played Bama, and State has played LSU more than OM has played LSU.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:38 am to molsusports
The "Roomate Switch" divisional pod system is too complicated, while still not addressing some of the key matchups.
The better solution is to simply get rid of divisions, and adopt a 8 game schedule where you play 3 teams every year, and rotate the other 10 (5 and 5). That way you play everyone in the league home and away over the course of four years. It's the same basic scheduling format used in basketball. The 3 permanent rivals for each school would look something like this:
Bama: Auburn, State, UT
Arkansas: Mizzou, A&M, LSU
Auburn: Bama UF, UGA
Florida: Auburn, UGA, USC
UGA: USC, UF, Auburn
Kentucky: Mizzou, UT, MSU
LSU: A&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas
Ole Miss: State, LSU, Vandy
Miss. State: Ole Miss, Bama, UK
Missouri: Arkansas, A&M, UK
South Carolina: UGA, UF, Vandy
Tenn: Vandy, UK, Bama
A&M: LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou
Vandy: UT, Ole Miss, USC
Yes, the competitive balance isn't perfect, but that's largely due to certain schools' desire to resume historic rivalries (See Auburn, who has been complaining for quite some time about not getting to play Florida annually, a matchup that was played a lot because nobody else wanted to travel to Auburn or Gainesville, so they played each other home and home).
The better solution is to simply get rid of divisions, and adopt a 8 game schedule where you play 3 teams every year, and rotate the other 10 (5 and 5). That way you play everyone in the league home and away over the course of four years. It's the same basic scheduling format used in basketball. The 3 permanent rivals for each school would look something like this:
Bama: Auburn, State, UT
Arkansas: Mizzou, A&M, LSU
Auburn: Bama UF, UGA
Florida: Auburn, UGA, USC
UGA: USC, UF, Auburn
Kentucky: Mizzou, UT, MSU
LSU: A&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas
Ole Miss: State, LSU, Vandy
Miss. State: Ole Miss, Bama, UK
Missouri: Arkansas, A&M, UK
South Carolina: UGA, UF, Vandy
Tenn: Vandy, UK, Bama
A&M: LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou
Vandy: UT, Ole Miss, USC
Yes, the competitive balance isn't perfect, but that's largely due to certain schools' desire to resume historic rivalries (See Auburn, who has been complaining for quite some time about not getting to play Florida annually, a matchup that was played a lot because nobody else wanted to travel to Auburn or Gainesville, so they played each other home and home).
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:42 am to southernboisb
quote:Up until the mid-70s, the SEC simply had a rule that you had to play X number of games to be eligible for the championship. Bama won a couple of titles due to playing one more game than the teams they were competing with for the title.
But was it set by the SEC who plays whom in each year...or left up to the schools to decide their schedule?
One other thing to remember about this era and scheduling is that, back then, teams used to split the gate, so some schools had trouble getting other teams to play them on campus because the gate simply wouldn't be big enough to make it worth their while. That's why a lot of games were played at "neutral" sites--e.g., Tennessee wouldn't play Auburn in Auburn, but they would in Birmingham because the gate would be big enough at Legion Field.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:55 am to lsutiger2
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Oh and it seems Miss State has played everybody the most. They must've started football in the 1800s
Everyone goes to the bakery for a cupcake now and then
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:30 pm to molsusports
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Alabama
1&2: Auburn, Tenn, UF, UGA, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
3&4: Auburn, Tenn, UF, USC, LSU, A&M, Ole Mis
I have nothing against a rotating pod, swap UF and LSU though...
JMHO but, Alabama should play Auburn, Tennessee, and LSU every year.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:44 pm to beatbammer
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Yep.
Auburn is the only team that has all of the remaining non-AU Big 6 opponents in their Top 6 most frequent opponents.
Anybody still want to argue that Auburn hasn’t had the most difficult SEC schedule historically? Chime in now and show your work.
Ole Miss was more successful in football than Florida until the 90s. Hell, Ole Miss was "Big 3" until 1977.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 4:09 pm to MedDawg
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Mississippi State's is more difficult by far.
Auburn
399 games vs Big 6
Mississippi State
550 games vs Big 6, and a HUGE majority of them were away games.
In fairness, it's kind of hard to have more games against the B6 when you ARE PART OF the B6.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 4:13 pm to twk
Sorry, but each division sorts 1/2 the conference WITHOUT the need for tie-breakers required for non-common opponents.
Also, as it's been pointed out, to go divisionless would require NCAA approval.
BTW, with your breakdown, LSU & Mizz. are the ONLY teams NOT to play a B6 yearly.
Alabama: Auburn, UT
Arkansas: LSU
Auburn: Bama, UF, UGA
Florida: Auburn, UGA
UGA: UF, Auburn
Kentucky: UT
LSU:
Ole Miss: LSU
Miss. State: Bama
Missouri:
South Carolina: UGA, UF
Tenn: Bama
TA&M: LSU
Vandy: UT
Also, as it's been pointed out, to go divisionless would require NCAA approval.
BTW, with your breakdown, LSU & Mizz. are the ONLY teams NOT to play a B6 yearly.
Alabama: Auburn, UT
Arkansas: LSU
Auburn: Bama, UF, UGA
Florida: Auburn, UGA
UGA: UF, Auburn
Kentucky: UT
LSU:
Ole Miss: LSU
Miss. State: Bama
Missouri:
South Carolina: UGA, UF
Tenn: Bama
TA&M: LSU
Vandy: UT
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 4:26 pm to GBJs
#1 - that's the breakdown on the Roommate Switch website.
#2 - what about the long history against MSU?
#2 - what about the long history against MSU?
Posted on 6/8/20 at 4:29 pm to skrayper
Interesting to see the # of changes over the years.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:35 pm to southernboisb
With divisions, you sometimes get a mismatch in the title game. You don't have that problem if you eliminate divisions. Tie breakers are an issue with divisions, the only difference is that you cannot have a tie between teams that haven't played in a divisional setup, but you can easily have 3 way ties in a division where the 3 teams simply traded victories which are very hard to break (and unlikely to happen with a non-divisional schedule).
The roommate switch was tried by the WAC and the fans didn't like it.
The roommate switch was tried by the WAC and the fans didn't like it.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:35 pm to boXerrumble
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Not many people realize that UF and Auburn played a ton.
Hell, if they didn't stop the yearly series, UF would've played Auburn more than Auburn has played Alabama
We used to play each other for homecoming -- and I think we did last year. I went to a lot of Auburn v. Florida games when I was growing up, in both stadiums. It was a good rivalry.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:01 am to twk
You can have a three way tie with the divisions as they already are though. The roommate switch doesn't change that potential outcome. The SEC already has established rules for breaking those types of ties.
So I don't see a helpful reason or advantage to removing divisions altogether when the framework of a division gives the structure of the season a reason to follow a lot of individual outcomes more closely.
So I don't see a helpful reason or advantage to removing divisions altogether when the framework of a division gives the structure of the season a reason to follow a lot of individual outcomes more closely.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:08 am to GBJs
If you put LSU in Florida's place then UF and UGA are no longer playing every year. The SEC's schedules have unfortunately been altered by expanding twice.
There are a limited number of games that must be played at all costs and I think UF vs UGA, UGA vs AU, UA vs UT, and UA vs AU are the most notable of those that will have to be scheduled every year.
There are a limited number of games that must be played at all costs and I think UF vs UGA, UGA vs AU, UA vs UT, and UA vs AU are the most notable of those that will have to be scheduled every year.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:18 pm to twk
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twk
SEC teams your team has played the fewest times
With divisions, you sometimes get a mismatch in the title game. You don't have that problem if you eliminate divisions. Tie breakers are an issue with divisions, the only difference is that you cannot have a tie between teams that haven't played in a divisional setup, but you can easily have 3 way ties in a division where the 3 teams simply traded victories which are very hard to break (and unlikely to happen with a non-divisional schedule).
The roommate switch was tried by the WAC and the fans didn't like it.
& what is considered a "mismatch" in the title game? You have the winner from Group 1 vrs. the winner of Group 2....which are the rules to determine the title game members. Just because somebody doesn't think a team should participate DOES NOT mean they didn't do what it took to get to the title game.
To do your plan, then every conference should have a true round-robin format & therefore not need a CG (sort of like what the B12 SHOULD be doing).
WHAT division has ever had a 3-way tie?
SEC 2012 FB Season
This wants to put UGA & UF as co-winners, but Ga. WON due to the head-to-head over Fl.. I believe it's their formula that's listing it as such even though it's incorrect.
BTW, the WAC did NOT do the "Roommate Switch". Their idea, which I appreciate was 4X4 pods where each year 2 pods paired up. The catch was their format: P1 & P4 only paired up with P2 or P3...NEVER EACH OTHER! My plan has each pod pairing up every 3 years (Y1 - P1/P2 vrs. P3/P4; Y2 - P1/P3 vrs. P2/P4; Y3 - P1/P4 vrs. P2/P3).
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 5:24 pm
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