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Posted on 3/15/20 at 7:45 pm to TidalSurge1
Posted on 3/15/20 at 7:45 pm to TidalSurge1
Without a doubt Obama is the worst and most divisive president in our nations history.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 7:47 pm to KingOfTheWorld
FFS, do y'all even bother to fact check anything.
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There's also the issue of COVID19 being far more lethal than swine flu. Like, shouldn't that justify an appropriate response?
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Obama’s acting director of health and human services declared H1N1 a public health emergency on April 26, 2009.
That was when only 20 cases of H1N1 — and no deaths — around the country had been confirmed.
Two days later, the administration made an initial funding request for H1N1 to Congress. Eventually $7.65 billion was allocated for a vaccine and other measures.
H1N1 was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization on June 11, 2009.
In other words, the Obama administration’s public health emergency declaration came more than six weeks before the pandemic designation.
There's also the issue of COVID19 being far more lethal than swine flu. Like, shouldn't that justify an appropriate response?
Posted on 3/15/20 at 9:27 pm to imraged
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There's also the issue of COVID19 being far more lethal than swine flu. Like, shouldn't that justify an appropriate response?
Based on what?
Your political beliefs?
That seems to be the line of demarcation on this situation.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 9:55 pm to TideSaint
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:13 pm to narddogg81
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Keep that bullshite to yourself
I’ll not do that, but thanks for the suggestion. Maybe log off if you can’t handle differing opinions?
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:15 pm to CrimsonBoz
How would I go about doing that without posting it?
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:31 pm to TideSaint
I'm not certain what you're asking? We've had strong reason to believe the mortality rate was relatively high for weeks.
Even at ~1% as we've seen in S. Korea (where they've tested 200K+) that's tens or even hundreds of thousands of lives at risk. Shutdowns absolutely should've occurred as soon as the first cases were reported here.
Even at ~1% as we've seen in S. Korea (where they've tested 200K+) that's tens or even hundreds of thousands of lives at risk. Shutdowns absolutely should've occurred as soon as the first cases were reported here.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:53 am to FWBFLlaw
Just post I’ll copy down and then hide the post.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:45 am to FWBFLlaw
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Hopefully, you got it.
He can still see it, Blondie.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:03 am to imraged
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There's also the issue of COVID19 being far more lethal than swine flu.
It may be far more lethal...but we don't actually know the mortality rate of the coronavirus yet because we don't know how many actual cases there are. There was a man interviewed on our local news station that tested positive; he said he had a mild grade fever and his doctor didn't want to test him initially because his fever was under 102. How many were like this man and were never tested but recovered? We just don't know...and without knowing that, we won't know the mortality rate...
Looks like South Korea is the model to look at as far as response goes...they've tested more and I think their mortality rate is closer to 1%. Still much higher than the flu but much less than say Italy. Is that because Italy's system is overstressed and they're testing mostly sickly people and South Korea is trying to test everyone it can (including healthier folk who are more likely to survive)? I don't know...
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:59 am to OldPete
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It may be far more lethal...but we don't actually know the mortality rate of the coronavirus yet because we don't know how many actual cases there are. There was a man interviewed on our local news station that tested positive; he said he had a mild grade fever and his doctor didn't want to test him initially because his fever was under 102. How many were like this man and were never tested but recovered? We just don't know...and without knowing that, we won't know the mortality rate...
Looks like South Korea is the model to look at as far as response goes...they've tested more and I think their mortality rate is closer to 1%. Still much higher than the flu but much less than say Italy. Is that because Italy's system is overstressed and they're testing mostly sickly people and South Korea is trying to test everyone it can (including healthier folk who are more likely to survive)? I don't know...
So I just found out I work in the same building, one the same floor and on the same hallway as the state's 1st confirmed case of the virus. The bathrooms I use are directly across the hall from this person's office.
Also, I traveled to South Korea in November going through two of the world's busiest airports to get there and back.
We've all been exposed to this virus at some point over the last 3-4 months. They just weren't testing for it then.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:24 am to TideSaint
Saint, there are probably far more people that can say the same thing but don't know it. COVID-19 isn't particularly lethal for most people. But if you are in the vulnerable subset, it is pretty deadly. This virus has a hockey stick shaped mortality rate. If you are young, relatively healthy, your odds of surviving it are really high. You keep reading about anecdotal cases that are otherwise healthy and are now on a ventilator. Those are exceptions. Then there's the handle of the hockey stick where as your age increases and your underlying health decreases, your odds of succumbing climb rapidly. And all the medical community can do for you at this point is mechanically support you until you either fight it off or lose the battle. When this is all said and done, I think the mortality rate in most of the world will be closer to 1% than the 6% it is in Italy. Italy is what happens when you don't bend the curve and the health care system gets overwhelmed and starts to fail. This is serious. Social distancing works. Do your part until we can bend the curve.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:41 am to imraged
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There's also the issue of COVID19 being far more lethal than swine flu. Like, shouldn't that justify an appropriate response?
A plague would be impossible to get out ahead of. We've already seen measures that are unprecedented in our lifetime. People are rightly concerned, and people are now mobilizing individually the best their circumstances allow. But unlike other natural disasters, where does one go? We live in a social infrastructure that requires contact and close proximity to one another. Trying to make yourself bulletproof by avoiding contact is kinda like doing the backstroke during an incoming tsunami.
At this point, my advice is everyone, individually and as a family, "duck" whatever that means to you.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:49 am to bamameister
And therein lies the problem. Florida's cases have exploded overnight and the Governor has asked Trump to restrict domestic travel because people are (admirably) trying to make the best of a bad situation and going to the beach, their second homes, etc. Only they are being vectors of the virus and bringing it with them. Surely some of it is due to more and better testing procedures that are ramping up daily, but it is very telling that the cases being reported now are mostly travel related and in mostly tourist areas such as Lauderdale, Miami, etc. When they come to the beach, they try to act like everything is normal and it's a normal vacation, so they go to the stores for supplies, they still try to eat out, they still try to shop, and all the stuff we want to do on vacation. That ain't how social distancing works. The same rules apply whether you are holed up at home or at your beach house or condo.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:58 am to phil4bama
Yeah, wife had plans to take the kids to Destin next week for Spring Break, and I had to convince her last night to cancel those plans. Waiting to hear back from the property owner on any refund, but that's really the least of our worries right now.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:07 am to The Spleen
Yep. My kids spring break plans got cancelled the last few days too and they are PISSED! They don't get it. Mom and Dad finally had to say just because we said so.
BTW, you should get a full refund. Everyone like VRBO, AirBnB, etc are waiving cancellation fees considering the circumstances. If you don't, you are getting screwed.
BTW, you should get a full refund. Everyone like VRBO, AirBnB, etc are waiving cancellation fees considering the circumstances. If you don't, you are getting screwed.
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