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When Saban came to the SEC, there was no Saban
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:29 pm
When he first came to LSU, and then later to Alabama, there was no unstoppable force in the SEC. No active dynasties. Every year or two, another team was on top. It was easy pickings for him.
If Saban came into the SEC today, in another form, say, "Steve Naban", would he have the same success with Alabama being where they are with Saban in the West, and Georgia being where they are in the East?
If Saban came into the SEC today, in another form, say, "Steve Naban", would he have the same success with Alabama being where they are with Saban in the West, and Georgia being where they are in the East?
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Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:29 pm to deeprig9
Tha frick?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:30 pm to Bham Bammer
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Tha frick?
Know how I know you didn't go to college?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:35 pm to deeprig9
When Saban Came to Alabama. LSU's talent level was only rivaled by Pete Carroll's USC teams. Florida had signed Tebow and company. UGA had Signed Matt Stafford and was stacked, and Tubs had Auburn a consistent threat. Tennessee was still making the SECCG.
The entire big 6 was still relatively strong and Arkansas had McFadden.
Saban conquered all of that.
The entire big 6 was still relatively strong and Arkansas had McFadden.
Saban conquered all of that.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:36 pm to BhamDore
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When Saban Came to Alabama. LSU's talent level was only rivaled by Pete Carroll's USC teams. Florida had signed Tebow and company. UGA had Signed Matt Stafford and was stacked, and Tubs had Auburn a consistent threat. Tennessee was still making the SECCG.
The entire big 6 was still relatively strong and Arkansas had McFadden.
Saban conquered all of that.
Right, everybody was pretty good, there wasn't one single elite juggernaut dragging their nuts over everybody, like there is today.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:36 pm to deeprig9
What separates Saban from Kirby (your real intention) is that Saban had a lot of experience, honed his practice and did well even with less.
Experience at the HC level is very, very hard to replicate because it's not a matter of just getting really good players and putting them on the field.
It's managing:
Player Turnover.
Egos.
Different pieces of the coaching staff.
Culture.
The list goes on and on, but the reason he's so successful isn't because of his circumstances. He's successful because he's built an amazing culture, is an extremely knowledgeable coach about more than one subject (offense or defense, DBs or QBs) and mostly because he can manage his roster.
One of the major differences can be seen by how Kirby has managed the QB situation in Athens.
1. Jacob Eason (5*) transfers because the moment he hurt his knee it was like Kirby was waiting for an excuse to just wash him out. Leaving Georgia with three QBs, two on scholarship.
2. Justin Fields (5*) transfers because, obviously, he isn't built for the offense and thought he would have a Chris Leak/Tim Tebow type of tandem going on that never happened. Leaving Georgia with only one QB on scholarship for their bowl game.
3. Going into next year, Georgia will only have one Quarterback with any in game experience and only one Quarterback who is not a true freshman, thusly completely limiting scrambles and designed QB runs from his offense.
Just an example, so for the short:
tl;dr
Saban would still be highly successful and Kirby is not Saban, nor is it a good excuse to say that Saban didn't have a really tough entry (see: Urban fricking Meyer).
Experience at the HC level is very, very hard to replicate because it's not a matter of just getting really good players and putting them on the field.
It's managing:
Player Turnover.
Egos.
Different pieces of the coaching staff.
Culture.
The list goes on and on, but the reason he's so successful isn't because of his circumstances. He's successful because he's built an amazing culture, is an extremely knowledgeable coach about more than one subject (offense or defense, DBs or QBs) and mostly because he can manage his roster.
One of the major differences can be seen by how Kirby has managed the QB situation in Athens.
1. Jacob Eason (5*) transfers because the moment he hurt his knee it was like Kirby was waiting for an excuse to just wash him out. Leaving Georgia with three QBs, two on scholarship.
2. Justin Fields (5*) transfers because, obviously, he isn't built for the offense and thought he would have a Chris Leak/Tim Tebow type of tandem going on that never happened. Leaving Georgia with only one QB on scholarship for their bowl game.
3. Going into next year, Georgia will only have one Quarterback with any in game experience and only one Quarterback who is not a true freshman, thusly completely limiting scrambles and designed QB runs from his offense.
Just an example, so for the short:
tl;dr
Saban would still be highly successful and Kirby is not Saban, nor is it a good excuse to say that Saban didn't have a really tough entry (see: Urban fricking Meyer).
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:36 pm to deeprig9
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Know how I know you didn't go to college?
Your perception is as bad as your original post in this thread.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You are straying off topic but this needs to be addressed...
Stetson Bennett came back, I think he's a 5th year junior at this point. With his transfer, I 'm not sure anymore. But he does have some experience. He was supposed to be our backup this year while Fields redshirted, but he transferred to a juco forcing us to get Fields more than 4 games of reps.
What you don't know about Georgia football is incredible.
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Georgia will only have one Quarterback with any in game experience and only one Quarterback who is not a true freshman,
Stetson Bennett came back, I think he's a 5th year junior at this point. With his transfer, I 'm not sure anymore. But he does have some experience. He was supposed to be our backup this year while Fields redshirted, but he transferred to a juco forcing us to get Fields more than 4 games of reps.
What you don't know about Georgia football is incredible.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:43 pm to BhamDore
quote:Just, wow.
When Saban Came to Alabama. LSU's talent level was only rivaled by Pete Carroll's USC teams. Florida had signed Tebow and company. UGA had Signed Matt Stafford and was stacked, and Tubs had Auburn a consistent threat. Tennessee was still making the SECCG.
The entire big 6 was still relatively strong and Arkansas had McFadden.
Saban conquered all of that.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:45 pm to deeprig9
Think about it in a different context.
A new CEO at a company with 13 other competitors. 5 of those competitors are fairly large, similar size to your company. Genius CEO takes his company to new heights and dominates everybody else, making all the competitors his bitch, and taking all the market share.
A new CEO at a company with 13 other competitors, some of them bigger than others, but one particular competitor that has 80% of market share, all the distribution channels, borderline monopoly. The CEO has a much much higher hill to climb.
By the way, this isn't just about Kirby. This is Muschamp, Mullen, Pruitt, O, Jimbo, any new coach that could potentially be "The next big shot" has a much higher hill to climb than Saban did when he came in, because Saban didn't have a Saban to compete against.
A new CEO at a company with 13 other competitors. 5 of those competitors are fairly large, similar size to your company. Genius CEO takes his company to new heights and dominates everybody else, making all the competitors his bitch, and taking all the market share.
A new CEO at a company with 13 other competitors, some of them bigger than others, but one particular competitor that has 80% of market share, all the distribution channels, borderline monopoly. The CEO has a much much higher hill to climb.
By the way, this isn't just about Kirby. This is Muschamp, Mullen, Pruitt, O, Jimbo, any new coach that could potentially be "The next big shot" has a much higher hill to climb than Saban did when he came in, because Saban didn't have a Saban to compete against.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:46 pm to deeprig9
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Stetson Bennett
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Meanwhile, Bennett has yet to play meaningful action in college.
Similarly, he was a walk-on and so...my statement still stands. He's not a Freshman, but if you think a walk-on with zero in-game experience is a good thing I don't think you're reasonable enough to have a meaningful conversation.
This post was edited on 1/6/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:51 pm to deeprig9
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When he first came to LSU,
Proof that OP is 12 years old. Apparently he had no clue about the Spurrier dynasty that dominated the 90's.
If Saban showed up at Bama today he would have Bama's thick cockes in everybody's mouths in a couple of years.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I don't think you're reasonable enough to have a meaningful conversation.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:58 pm to deeprig9
I mean, that is literally the GIF of every person every time you make some retarded thread to justify why your bowl cut down syndromed head coach just can't seem to avoid blowouts with top three talent.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:58 pm to BhamDore
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Tubs had Auburn a consistent threat. Tennessee was still making the SECCG.
Both Tubbs and Fulmer were 2 years away from losing their jobs and Meyer 1 year after.
CMR could never put consistent seasons together after '07 and '08.
I will concede the LSU point to you though
Posted on 1/6/19 at 2:01 pm to Paul B Ammer
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Proof that OP is 12 years old. Apparently he had no clue about the Spurrier dynasty that dominated the 90's.
Spurrier left a year later. Otherwise, you are right, my OP would be incorrect.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 2:03 pm to deeprig9
He processed the SEC. Fact.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 2:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
When Saban first came to Alabama his first order of business was to conquer Tennessee and Auburn. In his first full recruiting cycle he took back the state especially Mobile which Auburn was dominating at the time.
The 08 recruiting class was heavy on in-state talent. Julio, Mark Barron, Marcel Dareus we're all top 10 draft picks. Upshaw, Robert Lester, and Michael Williams, would go on to be all-sec players as well. Ingram, Hightower, and Barrett Jones were key out of state gets.
The state was loaded that year and Saban signed all of them. Steve Eznminger's Wife called into finebaum and said Saban was buying all the players and caused her husband to not have a job.
He then started to recruit GA hard because that's where Tennessee and Auburn got a lot of their players from. That hurt both programs. Prior to Saban Bama never recruited GA that hard. Always just Alabama, MS and Florida.
Once he disabled Auburn and Tennessee it was on to LSU and Louisiana.
The rest is history.
The 08 recruiting class was heavy on in-state talent. Julio, Mark Barron, Marcel Dareus we're all top 10 draft picks. Upshaw, Robert Lester, and Michael Williams, would go on to be all-sec players as well. Ingram, Hightower, and Barrett Jones were key out of state gets.
The state was loaded that year and Saban signed all of them. Steve Eznminger's Wife called into finebaum and said Saban was buying all the players and caused her husband to not have a job.
He then started to recruit GA hard because that's where Tennessee and Auburn got a lot of their players from. That hurt both programs. Prior to Saban Bama never recruited GA that hard. Always just Alabama, MS and Florida.
Once he disabled Auburn and Tennessee it was on to LSU and Louisiana.
The rest is history.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 2:05 pm to BhamDore
Upvote.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 2:06 pm to deeprig9
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When Saban came to the SEC, there was no Saban
there's never been a saban in cfb history, people just need to accept it.
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