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re: Georgia is the best job in the SEC but can be a nightmare
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:40 am to viceman
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:40 am to viceman
quote:Maybe when they are allowed to openly cheat and no one else can. When they can't they are average. Look pre-Saban. The were good about once every 3 years and half the NCs they claim other schools have legit arguments for. Plus they have to deal with the fans.
Alabama is the best job in the SEC. Nobody else in conference is even close.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 9:41 am
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:50 am to Rabern57
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The were good about once every 3 years and half the NCs they claim other schools have legit arguments for.
So, still more than anyone else? Got it.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 1:07 pm to RD Dawg
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Once again and I'm not sure you understand this,I'm stating actual PRESENT DAY FACTS about FBS players from individual states and comparing them to other states
Present day facts....in the last 25 years
Texas has won 1 NC
California has won 2 NC
Florida has won 7 NC
Louisiana has won 2 NC
Tennessee has won 1 NC
South Carolina has won 1 NC
Ohio has won 2 NC
Nebraska has won 3 NC
Oklahoma has won 1 NC
Georgia has won zero NC
So while you are spouting off facts, these states are actually using their talent to win titles.
I guess the "talent" that Georgia is producing is not exactly the quality you think it is.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:07 pm to TideFaninFl
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I guess the "talent" that Georgia is producing is not exactly the quality you think it is.
In fairness, now check and see how many Georgia players were on those teams. I would be willing to bet that there were Georgia players on every single team. And South Carolina wouldn't have had one (NC) if their QB had not come from UGA.
I mean, people can argue all they want, but somebody posted a link that ranked the states. Just because Georgia has underachieved in the past doesn't change that.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:12 pm to TideFaninFl
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I guess the "talent" that Georgia is producing is not exactly the quality you think it is.
Are you some kind of retard? Do you not realize that juuuuuust maybe it's our coaching that has been the issue and not the talent?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:15 pm to TideFaninFl
UGA job the last 10 years is the easiest in the SEC. The problem is they haven't been able to take advantage of it. The SECE has been a shadow of itself with the downfall of TN and UF. UGA should have been dominating that division with GA recruits and then going into FL every year. The window of opportunity has closed with the upgrades in coaching hire at UT and UF. USCe will be an issue along with the SECW teams that recruit the state.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:20 pm to Irons Puppet
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The SECE has been a shadow of itself with the downfall of TN and UF. UGA should have been dominating
why does this only work one way? We were bad in 2006. We were average in 2009, had a losing record in 2010, mediocre in 2011, average as grits in 2015 and bad in 2016. Why is it "UGA should capitalize on a down uf/ut" but never "uf/ut should be capitalizing on an average UGA"?
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The window of opportunity has closed with the upgrades in coaching hire at UT and UF
The window is only getting larger by the year dude.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:20 pm to Irons Puppet
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UGA job the last 10 years is the easiest in the SEC. The problem is they haven't been able to take advantage of it. The SECE has been a shadow of itself with the downfall of TN and UF. UGA should have been dominating that division with GA recruits and then going into FL every year. The window of opportunity has closed with the upgrades in coaching hire at UT and UF. USCe will be an issue along with the SECW teams that recruit the state.
That a pretty fair assessment. I do think it will get tougher to win the East very shortly, but it's impossible to tell right now. But it seems like a reasonable conclusion.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:20 pm to Irons Puppet
Richt did F things up, but Uf was elite 08/09, and east strong 12/13.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:26 pm to WG_Dawg
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why does this only work one way? We were bad in 2006. We were average in 2009, had a losing record in 2010, mediocre in 2011, average as grits in 2015 and bad in 2016. Why is it "UGA should capitalize on a down uf/ut" but never "uf/ut should be capitalizing on an average UGA"?
I think his point is more to the fact UGA had the stability and established program/coach. Once Meyer left UF, there was a huge vacuum in the east and no stability besides UGA.
The east as a whole has been average, but if there was a program with the best shot of taking control of it, it should have been UGA, they just never could which is why Richt is gone. Kirby seems to be on the right path to do so, but it is still early. I don't think anybody would argue that every team in the east has missed a huge opportunity over the last 8-10 years to truly dominate that division.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:27 pm to DawgsLife
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I do think it will get tougher to win the East very shortly, but it's impossible to tell right now. But it seems like a reasonable conclusion
I don't know. The jury is completely out on UF/UT. UT is an absolute landfill right now and they just hired a first year head coach that is essentially starting from scratch. How do we know he'll be any better than butch? Mullen has proven to be good at MSU but he is also walking into a mess with as little talent as they've had in a while. He will probably *finally* get them an offense but how much can grantham be trusted to lead an elite defense?
SC is on the right track and solid but I dont' think anyone has them winning the SEC any time soon.
And all that ignores the fact Kirby has UGA about to take off to places we haven't been in decades.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:31 pm to TideFaninFl
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Present day facts....in the last 25 years
Once again,WTF does this have to do with what I'm stating?
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Texas has won 1 NC
Texas has been the #1 state for producing HS talent in those 25 years and produced just 1 ????Kinda blows up your silly little arguement.
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I guess the "talent" that Georgia is producing is not exactly the quality you think it is.
You've said or produced no evidence to refute my facts.
So are trying to tell me Nebraska produces better HS talent than Georgia because of their NC's???Are you really this stupid???
No state produced more NFL Draft picks in 2017 than Georgia. Please refute this fact.
State of Georgia was 3rd in D1 signees in 2017.Please refute this fact.
State of Georgia is 4th in producing current NFL players
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:38 pm to WG_Dawg
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I don't know. The jury is completely out on UF/UT. UT is an absolute landfill right now and they just hired a first year head coach that is essentially starting from scratch. How do we know he'll be any better than butch?
I agree. I just figure they have to get better. can they get any worse? But you make a legitimate point. Nobody knows how Mullen or Pruitt will do.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:52 pm to Rabern57
Rabern57. Rodney Garner is a fine Christian man.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:57 pm to WG_Dawg
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why does this only work one way? We were bad in 2006. We were average in 2009, had a losing record in 2010, mediocre in 2011, average as grits in 2015 and bad in 2016. Why is it "UGA should capitalize on a down uf/ut" but never "uf/ut should be capitalizing on an average UGA"?
Because UT and UF couldnt find a coach. Mark Richt is a good coach. TN compounded their problems with recruiting issues and UF couldn’t find a decent QB. Neither was a problem for UGA.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:14 pm to RD Dawg
Recruiting and developing talent is the number 1 factor to winning championships. Georgia is absolutely loaded with HS talent for the size of the state. 44 blue chips players in GA in 2018 compared to 45 in California, 50 in Texas, and 66 in Florida. No doubt that it easier when you have that number of blue chips players in your backyard. It is easier to get guys to stay at home and you can pick your guys in state to focus on, which is what Kirby capitalized on last year.
But in my mind that doesn't propel UGA to the "best job" in the SEC. You can only sign so many players in a class, and with college football being as big as it is in the south, there are like 8-10 other good football programs within a 5 hours drive from Atlanta. UGA signed 11 of their 44 (25%) blue chip prospects last year. Compare that to LSU who signed 8 out of their 13 (62%). Auburn was still able to get 6 from Georgia, while South Carolina and Clemson each got 4, and Miami/Florida got 3. It isn't that difficult to fill out a class of 25 from Florida, Alabama, and Gerogia every year, even with UGA recruiting as well as they are.
The team that is winning the most on the field is going to be able to convince their fair share of athletes in the Southeast to come to their school and keep the momentum rolling. Currently UGA's best selling point is the east being down, and not having to play Alabama from the west every year, which leads to inflated records without championships to show for it.
But in my mind that doesn't propel UGA to the "best job" in the SEC. You can only sign so many players in a class, and with college football being as big as it is in the south, there are like 8-10 other good football programs within a 5 hours drive from Atlanta. UGA signed 11 of their 44 (25%) blue chip prospects last year. Compare that to LSU who signed 8 out of their 13 (62%). Auburn was still able to get 6 from Georgia, while South Carolina and Clemson each got 4, and Miami/Florida got 3. It isn't that difficult to fill out a class of 25 from Florida, Alabama, and Gerogia every year, even with UGA recruiting as well as they are.
The team that is winning the most on the field is going to be able to convince their fair share of athletes in the Southeast to come to their school and keep the momentum rolling. Currently UGA's best selling point is the east being down, and not having to play Alabama from the west every year, which leads to inflated records without championships to show for it.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:19 pm to Irons Puppet
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Mark Richt is a good coach.
Eh, Terrible at roster mgmt.
He couldn’t recruit talent across all positions He didn’t develop the talent around well.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:21 pm to ATLtiger12
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Currently UGA's best selling point is the east being down, and not having to play Alabama from the west every year leading to inflated records without championships.
Thats a terrible selling point.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 5:44 pm to ATLtiger12
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But in my mind that doesn't propel UGA to the "best job" in the SEC
Never said it was.
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You can only sign so many players in a class, and with college football being as big as it is in the south, there are like 8-10 other good football programs within a 5 hours drive from Atlanta.
Ok,would you rather be 1 hour away or 5 hours away from
a recruiting hotbed like Metro Atlanta?
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UGA signed 11 of their 44 (25%) blue chip prospects last year. Compare that to LSU who signed 8 out of their 13 (62%
So what?Fact is we signed more instate blue chips than LSU...don't GAS about percentages and it's always been difficult to pull kids out Louisiana ,they probably have the highest % in country when it comes to keeping kids at home. BTW please give me the % of in state blue
chips signed by UF amd get back to me.
Fact is Georgia probably has the best in state recruiting situation in the SEC especially when you look at our in state competion.I'd absolutely put UGA in the top 3 when it comes to HC jobs in the SEC.
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Currently UGA's best selling point is the east being down, and not having to play Alabama from the west every year, which leads to inflated records without championships to show for it.
What???Yes has nothing to do with facilities,campus,Athens or tradition.
Do you actually think that's what Kirby sells to his recruits?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 5:56 pm to djsdawg
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Thats a terrible selling point.
Well of course it is. But that isn't how UGA actually sells it. Richt sold a bunch of 10 win meaningless seasons, as "come to UGA, we are championship contenders." However, those 10 wins were loaded up against down teams from the East, losing the most important games on the schedule, and winning a meaningless bowl game to get to 10 wins.
Gus is often laughed at for having multiple 8-4 seasons. But those seasons have included games against the likes of Alabama, Clemson, and LSU, not to mention Texas A&M and Mississippi State who have each had way more competitive teams than anything the east has thrown out recently.
The fact is Gus has had Auburn in the playoff discussion nearly every year he has been at Auburn. Auburn usually has 1 or 2 quality losses heading into the final games of the season and has a chance, and even when they do throw in a questionable Gus loss they have a chance to redeem themselves by beating the best to finish the season. Just based on strength of schedule and ending the season against the best, Auburn is able to put themselves in the championship conversation every year. UGA on the other has had plenty of season where they finished with a better record without every really being in contention.
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