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re: SIAP UCF to hang a national championship banner in their stadium
Posted on 1/4/18 at 4:57 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 1/4/18 at 4:57 pm to fibonaccisquared
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You wouldn't know what being right feels like
I suppose it's possible that I've become numb to it.
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What are we pretending that it "is"?
A system that objectively determines a champion from a pool of 130 schools.
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So you're saying it's beneficial for them financially to be part of a system that likely is going to make it difficult for them to play on a level basis consistently, they agreed to it, and now because said system may have potentially (didn't) worked against them, that it's somehow the system's fault?
Now? Agreeing to a shite system doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. I think a lot of people had complaints even before it was implemented.
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Cool. So is it correct to assume that Ohio State did not belong in the playoffs last year based on what we saw and other game outcomes?
You tell me. I'd say it'd be dishonest if you think it didn't influence this year's rankings.
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Is it safe to say that UGA was correctly selected to make the final 4?
Yes. I’ve never said otherwise.
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Alabama played 9 P5 teams... UCF played 1
This point alone is meaningless.
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So which team are you saying should have been left out in your scenario where we get to reevaluate and work backwards to who the correct final 4 selection is (let's call it the "Hindsight CFP Final 4")?
That depends on which criteria we decide to use. Or, I could just be my own committee and use the one that fits my desired outcome.
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Can grab some strictly computer based simulations if you prefer.
Sure, do that.
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 5:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
So what did we learn from this post...
If you want pure objectivity, you're going to have a rough go of it. I think a better description would be:
A system that *attempts* to objectively determine a champion from a pool of 130 schools.
You can disagree with the results/outcomes... people did prior to the BCS, people did with the BCS, they do now, and they will continue to do so going forward no matter what system is used in all likelihood.
What improvement needs to be made? Again, try to be specific and thorough in your responses... we wouldn't want to let anyone think that you're having trouble formulating a fully thought out opinion that can then be evaluated on its own merit.
The question was posed *to you* an Ohio State fan... I'm interested in your opinion, as it's significantly more interesting than a neutral party.
As to influencing this year's rankings, please elaborate. Are you saying that Ohio State was left out because of last year's results? If so, please confirm for us all. If not, please provide an alternative rationale for why this statement was made.
I didn't claim you did, I legitimately can't keep up with who has said what in which thread at this point... as I've alluded to. My interest in this discussion is less about whether UCF should or shouldn't make the claim, I'm curious about the logic of how you believe we will fairly select 4 teams objectively.
I may condescend at times, but it's generally in response to your own choice of words. I'm legitimately interested in what a "better way" would be.
Is it? Let's look at it differently. If we allow Bama to play UCF's schedule, in your opinion, what is the outcome? Are they undefeated through the regular season and conference championship game? If so, would they have deserved to get in over say Ohio State?
Let's pretend for a moment that they don't lose any games. Undefeated Alabama plays 1 P5, 12 G5 schools... Ohio State plays their schedule and loses to Oklahoma at home and Iowa on the road by 30+... Is Alabama's on field performance an exhibition of one of the "4 best teams" more so than Ohio State?
You define the criteria and tell me who should be in... you're the one with the grand ideas on how we improve the system to ensure objectivity. Go!
So you asked "name them" to a question of "by any objective standard..."
I offered what would probably be considered one of the most objective standards that we've had in college football to which you provide zero feedback on. Let's try it another way.
You tell me an objective standard that disproves my original statement. Again, do try to be specific about what your position is... everyone would like to see how smart you are.
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A system that objectively determines a champion from a pool of 130 schools.
If you want pure objectivity, you're going to have a rough go of it. I think a better description would be:
A system that *attempts* to objectively determine a champion from a pool of 130 schools.
You can disagree with the results/outcomes... people did prior to the BCS, people did with the BCS, they do now, and they will continue to do so going forward no matter what system is used in all likelihood.
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Now? Agreeing to a shite system doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. I think a lot of people had complaints even before it was implemented.
What improvement needs to be made? Again, try to be specific and thorough in your responses... we wouldn't want to let anyone think that you're having trouble formulating a fully thought out opinion that can then be evaluated on its own merit.
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You tell me. I'd say it'd be dishonest if you think it didn't influence this year's rankings.
The question was posed *to you* an Ohio State fan... I'm interested in your opinion, as it's significantly more interesting than a neutral party.
As to influencing this year's rankings, please elaborate. Are you saying that Ohio State was left out because of last year's results? If so, please confirm for us all. If not, please provide an alternative rationale for why this statement was made.
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Yes. I’ve never said otherwise.
I didn't claim you did, I legitimately can't keep up with who has said what in which thread at this point... as I've alluded to. My interest in this discussion is less about whether UCF should or shouldn't make the claim, I'm curious about the logic of how you believe we will fairly select 4 teams objectively.
I may condescend at times, but it's generally in response to your own choice of words. I'm legitimately interested in what a "better way" would be. quote:
This point alone is meaningless.
Is it? Let's look at it differently. If we allow Bama to play UCF's schedule, in your opinion, what is the outcome? Are they undefeated through the regular season and conference championship game? If so, would they have deserved to get in over say Ohio State?
Let's pretend for a moment that they don't lose any games. Undefeated Alabama plays 1 P5, 12 G5 schools... Ohio State plays their schedule and loses to Oklahoma at home and Iowa on the road by 30+... Is Alabama's on field performance an exhibition of one of the "4 best teams" more so than Ohio State?
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That depends on which criteria we decide to use. Or, I could just be my own committee and use the one that fits my desired outcome.
You define the criteria and tell me who should be in... you're the one with the grand ideas on how we improve the system to ensure objectivity. Go!
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Sure, do that.
So you asked "name them" to a question of "by any objective standard..."
I offered what would probably be considered one of the most objective standards that we've had in college football to which you provide zero feedback on. Let's try it another way.
You tell me an objective standard that disproves my original statement. Again, do try to be specific about what your position is... everyone would like to see how smart you are.
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