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Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:18 pm to DawgsLife
I like how there isn't enough body of work to fully compare Eason to Fromm, but it's totally appropriate to break down a single two-second play for three pages.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:26 pm to deeprig9
That is funny. We broke it down to show that it wasn't as bad of a decision as it first appeared. Hopefully we run the same play soon but maybe with Sony as the first target this time.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:40 pm to djsdawg
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That is funny
I'm glad the irony was not lost on everyone.
I think this particular play discussion stemmed from my intentionally dumb hypothetical about random 4 plays to Eason's... it wasn't intended to spark such heated debate over a single play... but I'm actually glad it has. I still maintain it was a poor decision, but after watching the play a half a hundred times or so, it's certainly easy to see *why* the decision was made... and ultimately...
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Hopefully we run the same play soon but maybe with Sony as the first target this time.
This. It's a well designed enough play that you should be able to look for whether the traffic will be there or not, and decide quickly between Nauta/Michel assuming you have a similar look from the defense.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:41 pm to djsdawg
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Without fromms 3 first half tds, he would be getting much more criticism. He currently has 10 on the season in about 3.5 games worth of time running our normal offense.
He has done everything the coaching staff has asked of him and more. He's done a good job. He has had advantages that Eason did not have, but Fromm should not be seriously criticized for what he has done. Mistakes are going to happen. We should expect them. So far, the team has done a great job of covering them up and when you have success, criticism is usually muted somewhat. had we gone 11-1 or 10-2 last year Eason would have been crowned the new savior.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:41 pm to deeprig9
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I like how there isn't enough body of work to fully compare Eason to Fromm, but it's totally appropriate to break down a single two-second play for three pages.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:45 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I think this particular play discussion stemmed from my intentionally dumb hypothetical about random 4 plays to Eason's... it wasn't intended to spark such heated debate over a single play..
It wasn't heated on my part, and I don't think it was on Foo or DJS's part. Just another interesting thing to kick around while waiting on Saturday.
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This. It's a well designed enough play that you should be able to look for whether the traffic will be there or not, and decide quickly between Nauta/Michel assuming you have a similar look from the defense.
The way it unfolded tells you that the coaching staff in the booth was paying attention. We had a play called that could have worked two different ways and gotten great results. It was just unfortunate that Nauta got tripped up.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:48 pm to fibonaccisquared
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This. It's a well designed enough play that you should be able to look for whether the traffic will be there or not, and decide quickly between Nauta/Michel assuming you have a similar look from the defense.
It's gonna be a great celebration for us all when we score a td on this play. As it is, it's a completion to Sony. If we want to ensure Nauta isn't gonna get caught up in traffic with that lb, maybe shift Sony further out with motion. That's safety will also move over some, further opening the middle of the field up.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:58 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Yeah, all Frosh QBs do it. Fromm hasn't been hurt too much from this so far because his primary targets have been getting open quickly so Fromm's able to deliver the ball quickly to his first target and get yards. I'll have to go through his throws from other games but the only time I can recall him actually looking for other targets was on his first TD run last week.
he does. So did Eason. The games moves so fast to freshmen that they have a hard time with it. It will come to both of them eventually PROBABLY. I think this is what most people that want Eason to have the job is thinking. Hopefully the light has come on for him and he can now do his progressions more easily.
Locking down on a receiver is not a problem if you can determine where the defense is going to move related to where the route is supposed to go ahead of time and you know the receiver is going to be open. Obviously you don't want to stare down a receiver but knowing where you want to go isn't a problem if it's the right read. He'll have to improve on this like everyone else does.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:09 pm to djsdawg
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It's gonna be a great celebration for us all when we score a td on this play.
Should be a good time.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:12 pm to deeprig9
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I like how there isn't enough body of work to fully compare Eason to Fromm, but it's totally appropriate to break down a single two-second play for three pages.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:14 pm to GurleyGirl
The difference was we were not pinning our entire opinion of Fromm on that one play like some of you were pinning Eason's development or lack of development on Eason's 4 passes.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:11 pm to DawgsLife
Those 4 passes weren't sui generis, though. He does have an established body of work behind him, and that body of work figures into the equation of how good he is today.
For example, when Bledsoe went down for the Patriots, it was only Week 2 of the season, but that was it - the change was made. They compared what Brady was doing to what Bledsoe had done. Granted, Bledsoe had a larger body of work to look at, but still - the argument wasn't "well, it was only one and half games".
For example, when Bledsoe went down for the Patriots, it was only Week 2 of the season, but that was it - the change was made. They compared what Brady was doing to what Bledsoe had done. Granted, Bledsoe had a larger body of work to look at, but still - the argument wasn't "well, it was only one and half games".
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:46 pm to FaCubeItches
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sui generis
Had to look up the definition!
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He does have an established body of work behind him, and that body of work figures into the equation of how good he is today.
Not really. Nobody has any idea how much improvement he has made...or has not made in the past year. It can vary greatly from player to player.
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For example, when Bledsoe went down for the Patriots, it was only Week 2 of the season, but that was it - the change was made. They compared what Brady was doing to what Bledsoe had done. Granted, Bledsoe had a larger body of work to look at, but still - the argument wasn't "well, it was only one and half games".
And the coaches made that decision. Our coaches made the decision that Eason was the starter at the beginning of the year. We have people on here declaring Eason had made no improvement based upon 4 passes. They based their entire opinion on 4 passes. Think about that for a minute. If took Fromm's passing performance in a vacuum of the Tennessee game we would say he isn't ready. yet a lot of people were ready to make the same pronouncement on Eason based on 4 passes.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:40 pm to DawgsLife
Because of a weak opponent in game one it was safe to start Eason even if the coaching staff thought that Fromm was the guy. Saying good things about Eason and starting him was the correct move no matter who was favored.
Eason will get his chance to show what he can do once he is healthy but he is going to have to win the starting position. imo
Eason will get his chance to show what he can do once he is healthy but he is going to have to win the starting position. imo
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:35 pm to DoubleDawg22
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Eason missed the read on his lone pass against UTK and I worry for him that he may be that type that shows it in practice all week but in the game just can't get it right.
He absolutely fired that ball in there. I don't know if it was frustration, adrenaline, or trying to show that his arm is what separates him from Fromm, but wide open that would have been a difficult pass to catch given the heat on that ball on such a short pass. That was some break a finger kind of shite the way it was thrown. But you're right, it also wasn't the correct read.
I can't imagine all that's going through that kid's head this season. It makes me want to put an asterisk beside any bad plays he makes prior to getting the starting role back but that's not fair to Fromm. Bad reads, bad throws, bad decisions can't be tolerated at this level of football when you have a 5* waiting in the wings.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 5:58 am to Whiznot
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Eason will get his chance to show what he can do once he is healthy but he is going to have to win the starting position. imo
I agree. If he had been out a game, maybe two, I would say he needs to be the starter. But its been awhile and Fromm has done well. I think he has earned the job. I hate to see anybody lose their job that way, but that's the way it goes sometimes when a player is out for long periods of time.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:08 am to DawgsLife
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And the coaches made that decision. Our coaches made the decision that Eason was the starter at the beginning of the year.
And you think they *only* considered spring practice in making that decision? They already knew what Eason could do in a game situations; Fromm was essentially an unknown as far as college-level play goes. After 5 games, Fromm is now a known, at least to some degree, so now the evaluation for each player includes both practice and game performance.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:20 am to FaCubeItches
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And you think they *only* considered spring practice in making that decision?
No, not at all. In fact, I've said many times that Eason probably has the edge because of his experience. I might have misunderstood your point.
My point was that the overriding factor for Eason was probably the improvement he had made and not what he did last year. That the coaches saw the potential of what he could do based upon how he had improved. Nobody knows how much he has improved other than the coaches who have seen him all Spring, Summer and Fall.
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After 5 games, Fromm is now a known, at least to some degree, so now the evaluation for each player includes both practice and game performance.
I agree. I think my response to you grew out of a misunderstanding of your point. I can get so focused on my point sometimes that I miss what others are saying. My bad.
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