Started By
Message

re: Check in if you're ready for sumlin to go

Posted on 11/21/16 at 4:12 pm to
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 4:12 pm to
quote:

In fact what worries me is the idea that Sumlin maybe has hit the ceiling of our program without lucky lightening-in-a-bottles like JFF (and even then all it takes is a single misstep and all that momentum is gone). We thought that a SEC rebrand, and fancy new buildings, and all the money we could find would overcome our repulsive (to the demographic that is good at football) brand and our stench of decades of mediocrity, but it turns out it is harder to run from our past than we thought.


You are not going to get many people here and even less on TA to agree with this, but in the back of most of our minds, I tend to think this is a fear we all have. Even a legitimate, almost unanimously agreed-upon current top 10 defensive coordinator has actually regressed year over year with the talent we have. There's just no depth. If it was only Sumlin who has had this problem, we could point to his recruiting and say he neglected defense, but the truth is we had no defensive depth under Sherman or Fran and little at the end of RC's tenure either. We seem to be able to land one or two NFL starters almost at all times, but we don't have talent across the D, have 0 at linebacker and haven't really for 16 years if you don't count Von who was a hybrid, and never have a second string that's worth a darn. It just doesn't seem that A&M is capable of getting enough good defenders, especially the front 7 or so guys, to compete with the big boys. 9 wins or so plus maybe a bowl win may actually be our ceiling without a once in a lifetime guy like Johnny.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 4:33 pm to
They were having this discussion on other message boards.

1) There is only one coach in the SEC with 8+ wins per season since expansion...Nick Saban

2) There are only 13 coaches win a better winning % at Power 5 schools.
3 Urban Meyer Ohio State
6 Jimbo Fisher Florida State
7 Chris Petersen Washington
8 Bob Stoops Oklahoma
9 David Shaw Stanford
10 Nick Saban Alabama
12 Dabo Swinney Clemson
13 Gary Patterson TCU
15 Mark Richt Miami
16 Bobby Petrino Louisville
19 Jim Harbaugh Michigan
21 Guz Malzahn Auburn
22 Hugh Freeze Mississippi
24 Kevin Sumlin Texas A&M

3) Patterson probably falls off this list after his current 5-5 season. Hughe Freeze will likely have a "show cause" and have to vacate most of his wins.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 4:34 pm to
They were having this discussion on other message boards.

1) There is only one other coach in the SEC with 8+ wins per season since expansion...Nick Saban.

*Miles was among these coaches, but he was fired after 12 seasons. Richt was also part of this list, but was fired after 15 seasons.

2) There are only 13 coaches win a better winning % at Power 5 schools.
3 Urban Meyer Ohio State
6 Jimbo Fisher Florida State
7 Chris Petersen Washington
8 Bob Stoops Oklahoma
9 David Shaw Stanford
10 Nick Saban Alabama
12 Dabo Swinney Clemson
13 Gary Patterson TCU
15 Mark Richt Miami
16 Bobby Petrino Louisville
19 Jim Harbaugh Michigan
21 Guz Malzahn Auburn
22 Hugh Freeze Mississippi
24 Kevin Sumlin Texas A&M

3) Patterson probably falls off this list after his current 5-5 season. Hughe Freeze will likely have a "show cause" and have to vacate most of his wins. I believe Malzahn had fewer than 8 wins last season (original premise of argument).
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 4:41 pm
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20825 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

It just doesn't seem that A&M is capable of getting enough good defenders, especially the front 7 or so guys, to compete with the big boys


I have said several times that I don't think we have a single DT or LB that would start at Bama or LSU. We have 1 that might... MIGHT start at Auburn. Our starters would struggle to be 2nd team at Bama. Our 2nd team... depth... would not be 2nd team at Bama, LSU, or Auburn.

We are not physical and we definitely don't have depth that is physical. We got some serious issues if we aren't scoring in the 30s+ against better teams.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 1Next pagelast page
refresh

Back to top
logoFollow SECRant for SEC Football News
Follow us on Twitter and Facebook to get the latest updates on SEC Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitter