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re: Former Ole Miss student who placed noose on James Meredith statue gets prison
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:05 pm to IAmReality
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:05 pm to IAmReality
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This is basically just thought crime.
shite, I just thought about putting a noose around a statue.
The police will be here any minute.
I'm rolling over on the OP.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 11:07 pm
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Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:08 pm to KaiserSoze99
I guess I should have specifically said physical harm.
And yes the harshness of the sentence is exactly what I'm arguing. His life was virtually ruined anyway, we shouldn't be wasting our already vastly thinned out prison resources on this type of bullshite.
And yes the harshness of the sentence is exactly what I'm arguing. His life was virtually ruined anyway, we shouldn't be wasting our already vastly thinned out prison resources on this type of bullshite.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:09 pm to chickenpotpie
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So he should pay for the crimes committed by other people in the past?
Nope. He is paying for the crime HE committed. He got what the judge believed was appropriate given the facts. That's why the crimes have ranges of punishment, like 2-10 years. The judge is allowed to consider the circumstances, and likely has broad discretion on that decision. Under the circumstances, the judge apparently believed (justifiably) that this act of vandalism deserved the higher end of the permissible sentencing spectrum. And there is NOTHING wrong with taking all the facts into consideration.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:10 pm to DBU
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:13 pm to KaiserSoze99
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He broke the fricking law. The Judge stayed within sentencing guidelines.
I agree. However, I believe that sentencing guidelines are extremely skewed in many, many cases. Mandatory minimums and all that... But that is too much for this thread. I just do not think that the punishment fit the crime in this instance.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:14 pm to WestCoastAg
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Prison is kinda harsh
It was very stupid, but there shouldn't be prison time... Judge showed him no mercy..
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:15 pm to KaiserSoze99
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He got what the judge believed was appropriate given the facts. That's why the crimes have ranges of punishment, like 2-10 years. The judge is allowed to consider the circumstances, and likely has broad discretion on that decision.
Obviously the judge made the determination that this kid showed all the signs of a person heading in the wrong direction and needed a pretty close shot over the bow to hopefully get this kid back on the right track.
In addition to his parents not having a lot of money or knowing anybody of influence in the law enforcement community.
Special emphasis on that last comment.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:24 pm to PygmalionEffect
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In addition to his parents not having a lot of money or knowing anybody of influence in the law enforcement community. Special emphasis on that last comment.
Sad, but very true statement.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:25 pm to chickenpotpie
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I agree. However, I believe that sentencing guidelines are extremely skewed in many, many cases. Mandatory minimums and all that... But that is too much for this thread. I just do not think that the punishment fit the crime in this instance.
I can accept that. I would not have been as harsh. I would have made him do a bunch of community service and pay restitution. I would have ordered him to write a 200 page essay on the history of the civil rights movement and the role the guy in the statue played in integrating Ole Miss.
But, I too hate "hate" crimes. Beating a guy up just because he is asian is irrelevant to the crime. It's no different than beating a guy up because he fricked your wife. Beating is beating. The crime is assault.
Here, whether intended or not, the crime is intimidation of others based on their race. The act is racial intimidation. It is a different crime all together.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:26 pm to PygmalionEffect
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:27 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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When you're under the microscope like Ole Miss is because of it's past, you have to push for actions like this.
No you don't. Protecting the shitty reputation of your school isn't worth wrongfully imprisoning someone for a ridiculous sentence. Such a mob mentality.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:27 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Beating a guy up just because he is asian is irrelevant to the crime. It's no different than beating a guy up because he fricked your wife. Beating is beating. The crime is assault.
Actually the crime would be battery.
I'm sorry. I just couldn't help myself.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:28 pm to Lou Pai
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No you don't. Protecting the shitty reputation of your school isn't worth wrongfully imprisoning someone for a ridiculous sentence. Such a mob mentality.
He pled guilty to a crime. How is it wrongful imprisonment?
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:28 pm to DBU
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Actually the crime would be battery.
Not in Texas.
Sorry. Me neither.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:29 pm to KaiserSoze99
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You have a short memory. A dude in SC just went into a black church and gunned down the congregation. You don't think racial violence is still a problem? How is a passer-by supposed to know it's a prank? A noose is the ultimate symbol of death. You seriously cannot be this obtuse.
A black newsperson killed 2 whites live on camera 3 weeks ago.
How obtuse are you?
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:30 pm to KaiserSoze99
The prosecution has discretion in the plea deal, and the judge has discretion in the sentence. It's absolutely ridiculous to put a man behind bars for this.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:31 pm to Wild Thang
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A black newsperson killed 2 whites live on camera 3 weeks ago.
How does that change what I said? Racial violence is a problem.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:32 pm to Lou Pai
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The prosecution has discretion in the plea deal, and the judge has discretion in the sentence. It's absolutely ridiculous to put a man behind bars for this.
Correct, and I can accept that.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:35 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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But when Ole Miss does something to punish such actions and distance ourselves from that troubled past, they're called "Pathetic"?
Ole Miss didn't do this. An overzealous judge with a poor understanding of the effects of incarceration on non violent offenders did this. He's going to come out of this with a shaved head and a pair of Doc Martens. This is an absolutely insane ruling.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:35 pm to Henry Jones Jr
There's no denying how wrong what he did was and that he should be criminally culpable. Perhaps even with the terroristic threat side of it.
But no way anyone should support 6 months in prison. That really is overdoing it. Lock him up for a week or two if you must. But 6 months is ridiculous.
But no way anyone should support 6 months in prison. That really is overdoing it. Lock him up for a week or two if you must. But 6 months is ridiculous.
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