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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:26 pm to Tennessee Jed
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The offense is meaningless.
except the offense needs to have the ball in the last two minutes of the half or chavis is fricked
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:26 pm to Tiger Live2
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Funny thing is, that was the worst ranked scoring defense under Chavis. 2nd worst total D.
Also one his worst choking defenses
Correlation, Causation, yadda yadda
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:26 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Your offense was okay, not great. Reminds me of Ole Miss 2014.
But that is not what you said.
You said:
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Chavis just needs an offense to take the pressure off of him. Something he never got in Baton Rouge.
Chavis had that multiple times in Baton Rouge.....
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:27 pm to GeauxPack81
Your defense just does not have the depth to be running around all game long. LSU has had that the past few years
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:27 pm to monsterballads
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that ain't good...
aggy will tell you that is all they need, and they might be right. I could see aggy occasionally finishing in the top 3 in the west if they get that type of improvement.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:28 pm to Nguyening
The rankings of TOP and and total/scoring D are meaningless stats without actual values. That's like saying my dick is the third biggest on this board. It's true, and illustrates that I am humble, but doesn't provide context or measurables. I'll admit this TOP point is beaten like a drum and I don't completely buy it, but this is a pretty shakey way to go about debunking it.
I'll counter by saying ags love to criticize Steele for the Clemson gave when he gave up a lot of points. That same season, Chavis allowed the same WVU team ~550 yards of total offense. They both essentially got out-schemed, but one got bailed out by special teams and an offense that could drive the field and eat clock.
I'll counter by saying ags love to criticize Steele for the Clemson gave when he gave up a lot of points. That same season, Chavis allowed the same WVU team ~550 yards of total offense. They both essentially got out-schemed, but one got bailed out by special teams and an offense that could drive the field and eat clock.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:29 pm to Nguyening
#inbLSUfanaskswhatyourbuttholesmellslike
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:30 pm to therick711
Yeah yeah 3rd and Chavis.
- Floridatiger420
Although Florida tiger was right Chavis had more talent, he failed to factor in the competitions talent.
-RB10
LSU's average recruit is about 3.1 puts higher than the average SEC recruit
Clemson's during Steele was about 3.6 points higher.
I'd be willing to even call that a wash, since they're only marginally different.
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3rd Down %: Steele 39.487 Chavis 35.27
- Floridatiger420
Although Florida tiger was right Chavis had more talent, he failed to factor in the competitions talent.
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The talent on Clemson's roster was marginally better, in comparison to the rest of the ACC, than LSU's is in comparison to the SEC.
-RB10
LSU's average recruit is about 3.1 puts higher than the average SEC recruit
Clemson's during Steele was about 3.6 points higher.
I'd be willing to even call that a wash, since they're only marginally different.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:30 pm to Nguyening
Given that Chavis has never been a head coach and thus has always gone with the offense that was in place, I think this question is better asked of Will Muschamp-- who has essentially been protected and had his defensive statistics padded by a ball control offense his whole career with the exception of his time at Texas-- where the offense became less and less explosive and more and more ball control the longer he stayed on the job. Then he goes to Florida and despite their being some elite Spread pieces in place procedes to decimate a program with his pig headed and moronic insistence on running clock and playing for field position.
Hell, I think Auburn fans should ask themselves if Boom is going to try and force Malzahn to kill the clock and if he can't do that if he's going to stay on the job for long.
Hell, I think Auburn fans should ask themselves if Boom is going to try and force Malzahn to kill the clock and if he can't do that if he's going to stay on the job for long.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:32 pm to montanagator
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Hell, I think Auburn fans should ask themselves if Boom is going to try and force Malzahn to kill the clock and if he can't do that if he's going to stay on the job for long.
Peeled back the scab
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:33 pm to Nguyening
No. He just needs elite talent like most other "great" coordinators. LSU still lost this round of musical chairs. Chief immediately makes the aggie's at least respectable. Check out the talent they already have in College Station.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:34 pm to monsterballads
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that ain't good...
No, it's not. I'd say it's "lower middle class" defense (which is a damn sight better than what A&M has had the past two seasons).
But the point is that even in this year, he significantly outperforms his team's TOP ranking.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:35 pm to Nguyening
I shouldn't be surprised that this would come back to Steele. This whole defelection relies solely on your belief that I think Steele is some great tactician or field general. I don't. Neither do you. So if the best thing you can say about Chavis is you think he'll be better than Steele, that's damning with feint praise if I ever saw it.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:43 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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The rankings of TOP and and total/scoring D are meaningless stats without actual values. That's like saying my dick is the third biggest on this board. It's true, and illustrates that I am humble, but doesn't provide context or measurables. I'll admit this TOP point is beaten like a drum and I don't completely buy it, but this is a pretty shakey way to go about debunking it.
I disagree. If I just gave you the average yardage and score given up, that would tell you LESS. The rankings actually give you the context of how well a unit performs in relation to others. When a Chavis defense has to deal with a team TOP that is ranked #103, then nearly every other defense in D1 is getting more help from their offense.
And yet he is STILL outperforming many/most of them.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:44 pm to therick711
Muschump is a loser. Auburn is paying for the emperors new clothes.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:47 pm to Mirthomatic
Chavis D needs to get enough stops & turnovers to rank in the top 80. If he accomplishes that the Aggies win more games than expected.
The O will be explosive enough to compete in a "track meet" game. See Sumlin going psycho with tempo.
The O will be explosive enough to compete in a "track meet" game. See Sumlin going psycho with tempo.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:48 pm to Chantecler
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Steele may do fine for Yall, I was purely pointing out third and Chavis is a misnomer
Anyone who thinks Steele is clueless about defense is out of their minds with his experience and mentoring from so many greats. honestly it looks like his biggest flaw is that his multiple sets make for a lack of identity that's too confusing for the players
With O handling the line, Raymond secondary, and Steele linebackers, he just needs to simplify his system with how well coached were are with the talent here and coming in.
Basically, Steele should be nominated as an all-time worst with the staff and talent around him, with probably the #1 recruiting class on the way. It's going to be difficult for him to frick up
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:50 pm to Mirthomatic
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I disagree. If I just gave you the average yardage and score given up, that would tell you LESS.
boy talk about a false dichotomy. This really shouldn't need clarification, but he obviously wants both sets of data.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:50 pm to Nguyening
I wouldn't say he "needs" a ball control offense any more than any other defensive coordinator.
But it is logical to assume that an offense like Sumlin's will hamper defensive statistics, regardless of who the coordinator is. If they are scoring rapidly, that's more possessions in which the defense has to be on the field. Conversely, if they are running hurry up and going three and out or only getting 6-7 offensive snaps off before turning it over, that's less time for the defense to recoup before taking the field again.
The Chavis ordeal has gotten to the point where you can't really talk about it honestly, because it turns into a jerk off contest--which we know the ags will win (sorry, couldn't help myself).
But he's a great coordinator, one of the top 5 or so in the game. The talent and scheme at tamu isn't there for him to field top flight defenses yet, but he's an huge upgrade regardless of what LSU fans will say.
Despite this, he isn't without his flaws. The guy doesn't recruit well. His specialty is supposedly linebackers, but that was usually an area at LSU that wasn't up to par with the secondary or D-line. There would be a good-great MLB generally, but LSU always seemed thin on the outside.
Also, third and Chavis is real. Its not as if no lead is safe, but playing prevent defense under CFB rules is just plain stupid--nickle and diming a defense with a time out and 1:00min left is possible because of the clock stoppages.
Again, he's a great coordinator and will be a big improvement at tamu, but given how close he is to retirement, plus the talent and scheme in College Station, it would really surprise me if he starts consistently fielding the ridiculous defenses he did at Tennessee and LSU.
But it is logical to assume that an offense like Sumlin's will hamper defensive statistics, regardless of who the coordinator is. If they are scoring rapidly, that's more possessions in which the defense has to be on the field. Conversely, if they are running hurry up and going three and out or only getting 6-7 offensive snaps off before turning it over, that's less time for the defense to recoup before taking the field again.
The Chavis ordeal has gotten to the point where you can't really talk about it honestly, because it turns into a jerk off contest--which we know the ags will win (sorry, couldn't help myself).
But he's a great coordinator, one of the top 5 or so in the game. The talent and scheme at tamu isn't there for him to field top flight defenses yet, but he's an huge upgrade regardless of what LSU fans will say.
Despite this, he isn't without his flaws. The guy doesn't recruit well. His specialty is supposedly linebackers, but that was usually an area at LSU that wasn't up to par with the secondary or D-line. There would be a good-great MLB generally, but LSU always seemed thin on the outside.
Also, third and Chavis is real. Its not as if no lead is safe, but playing prevent defense under CFB rules is just plain stupid--nickle and diming a defense with a time out and 1:00min left is possible because of the clock stoppages.
Again, he's a great coordinator and will be a big improvement at tamu, but given how close he is to retirement, plus the talent and scheme in College Station, it would really surprise me if he starts consistently fielding the ridiculous defenses he did at Tennessee and LSU.
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