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re: Florida football stuck between a rock and a hard place
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:52 pm to SwampRaised
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:52 pm to SwampRaised
The mark if a true genius is making people believe you aren't one.
Les fricking miles bitch.
Les fricking miles bitch.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:04 pm to dreaux
OP- you are a sad pathetic fan.
Who wishes to have a terrible season for their team? A good head coach is a good head coach regardless if he prefers O or D (see Saban and Miles). Will Muschamp become a great HC? I think he could- sure he has gone to the school of hard knocks, but I believe he is a great recruiter and he isn't dumb. Has he learned his lessons and how to fix them? I hope so.
And I hope we have a great year.
Go Gators!
Who wishes to have a terrible season for their team? A good head coach is a good head coach regardless if he prefers O or D (see Saban and Miles). Will Muschamp become a great HC? I think he could- sure he has gone to the school of hard knocks, but I believe he is a great recruiter and he isn't dumb. Has he learned his lessons and how to fix them? I hope so.
And I hope we have a great year.
Go Gators!
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:09 pm to austingator
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OP- you are a sad pathetic fan.
Like most gator fans I know are.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:19 pm to SwampRaised
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I hope we win 7 games and hire Chad Morris, or Kliff Kingsbury
Yep. he's going to walk away from a $2 million/year head coaching to be an OC. Gainesville is such a dream destination. Typical fricking Florida Gator arrogance.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:27 pm to OBReb6
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"If corn crops have been over produced by 20% the last 3 years, and next year's forecast predicts heavy droughts, how many times can you spike the football with 1 second left on the clock?"
Where as if this complex problem were presented to Ed Orgeron, he would be trying to figure out the effect it might have on the production of bourbon and how much more money it will cost him to maintain his drinking habit?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 3:08 pm to LSU82BILL
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I hope we win 7 games and hire Chad Morris, or Kliff Kingsbury
Yep. he's going to walk away from a $2 million/year head coaching to be an OC. Gainesville is such a dream destination. Typical fricking Florida Gator arrogance.
I'm pretty sure he meant "win 7 games, fire muschamp, hire chad morris or cliff kingsbury"
on that note, what the frick has kingsbury(or morris) done to merit landing a top 5 coaching gig.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 3:59 pm to bigDgator
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If stupid arse Les Miles can figure out how to get coordinators, so can Muschamp.
What a maroon. Miles is an offensive coach, bigdouche.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 4:52 pm to JustGetItRight
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We're left relying on hiring good OC's which isn't good for recruiting.
It's much easier to hire DC after DC, and have an offensive minded - coach.
Alabama has a defensive minded head coach and they're on their 4th offensive coordinator in eight years.
During the previous 7 years, under three different OCs they've won three BCS titles and had multiple recruiting classes ranked #1 by various services.
If you suck, it won't be due to revolving OCs.
Bama has a coherent offensive plan-- Saban worked with the existing talent that was in place (largely pro style talent) and then shifted his plan in over time; contrast that with Muschamp who initially wanted a Bama/Stanford style offense because it would protect his defense and minimize risk (or whatever), he went about achieving that by hiring a Pro Style offensive coordinator best known for his innovative passing games, he then followed that up by hiring a guy from a more balanced but still pass-biased offensive system both of these people were then pushed to run offenses outside of their comfort zones, now he's done a complete 180 and wants an offense like Oregon's or Auburn's a spread option HUNH attack, while this should fit his personnel better you have to wonder if he a) actually wants this or was forced to adopt it by Foley in order to retain his job. b) Will keep this system if Roper is poached instead of taking the breathing room and reverting to what he wants.
None of this even scratches the point that what works for Alabama (power football, smothering defense) likely wont work for Florida due to differences both culturally (in what the fanbase expects) and recruiting wise (Florida is far, far better suited to have a speed based offense with a Bama level defense).
Now admittedly, at this point in Saban's career he was struggling to win 8 games at MSU so maybe Muschamp can turn it around but the fact remains currently he's not, and Alabama would've canned 90s Saban after at the most 5 years, you don't learn to be a coach at a top tier program.
Honestly, what scares me the most isn't Roper leaving, its Muschamp winning 8 games and somehow being allowed to stay (much less as some have mentioned being given an extension-- unless said extension comes with pay cut and a removal of the buyout clause)-- in a perverse way only winning 4 games last year was great for Muschamp's job security as it lowered expectations dramatically.
It feels weird even typing this but I'd rather win 5 or 6 games next season and get a new coach, than win 7 or 8 and be stuck with Muschamp through 2016.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 4:54 pm to LSU82BILL
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I hope we win 7 games and hire Chad Morris, or Kliff Kingsbury
Yep. he's going to walk away from a $2 million/year head coaching to be an OC. Gainesville is such a dream destination. Typical fricking Florida Gator arrogance.
No, I think the point in that was clear-- if we win 7, Kingsbury would get a HC offer.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 5:04 pm to socraticsilence
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No, I think the point in that was clear-- if we win 7, Kingsbury would get a HC offer.
Clear? Really? The last time Florida won 7 games, they kept the HC (Muschamp) and fired the OC (Charlie Weis).
Posted on 8/22/14 at 5:38 pm to LSU82BILL
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No, I think the point in that was clear-- if we win 7, Kingsbury would get a HC offer.
Clear? Really? The last time Florida won 7 games, they kept the HC (Muschamp) and fired the OC (Charlie Weis).
That was year 1, honestly I think Foley might be underestimating how the fan base would react to keeping Muschamp if he wins 8 but loses to Georgia.
If Florida's year plays out this way (very realistic, essentially win all the favored games, and win only 1 of the 50-50 games, no major upsets )
W vs. Idaho
W vs. EMU
W vs. UK
L @ Bama
W @ Tenn
W vs. LSU
W vs. Mizzou
L vs. UGA
L vs. USCe
W vs. EKU
L @ FSU
I don't think anyone could really justify keeping Muschamp-- that'd be 3 losses in November with no really impressive wins. He'd be gone, add another loss to that mix and he doesn't reach the bowl.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:00 pm to SwampRaised
It's like my accountant tells me: "We'll worry about next year, next year"
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:03 pm to LSU82BILL
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fired the OC (Charlie Weis).
Weis wasn't fired, he took a head coaching job.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:09 pm to olemc999
rag on les all you want, but you'll never see his players blocking each other.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:13 pm to roguetiger15
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you'll never see his players blocking each other.
hmmmm
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:15 pm to SwampRaised
Hiring a good OC who can score points with the talent available to UF should be easy.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:35 pm to bigDgator
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If stupid arse Les Miles can figure out how to get coordinators, so can Muschamp.
there's your problem. Muschamp isn't half as intelligent as Miles. he's a DC trying on the HC thing. he just doesn't have what it takes and it shows. sure, you support him as you're a gator but if he doesn't improve substantially and has to hit the streets he's done as a HC.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:57 pm to LSU GrandDad
So is Georgia Southern the rock or the hard place?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 7:23 pm to PeaRidgeWatash
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Economics degree
Economics degrees are Arts & Science school -like useless degrees.
Nobody hires Economics majors except federal government agencies, some private high schools for teachers, and used car dealerships.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:20 pm to socraticsilence
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It feels weird even typing this but I'd rather win 5 or 6 games next season and get a new coach, than win 7 or 8 and be stuck with Muschamp through 2016.
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