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re: What are your views on the following issues?

Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:15 pm to
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
38434 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:15 pm to
Gay Marriage: For

Abortion: Pro Choice

Gun Control: Against

Marijuana: For (all drugs to be honest)

Affirmative Action: Against

Death Penalty: Strongly Against

Obamacare: Against
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
38434 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:29 pm to
Do you honestly think 12 random Americans are intelligent or sophisticated enough to determine whether a human being lives or dies? I sure as hell don't and I say that as a practicing attorney. Our Founders took the philosophies of Locke's social contract and Rousseau's will of the people and molded them with Montesquieu's separation of powers to create our current federalist system. If we are to sincerely adopt these philosophies, how can the State, whose existence is solely owed to the consent of the governed, tell the governed that murder is a crime, yet commit murder itself? This isn't even taking into account Blackstone's maxim. Humans make mistakes. You can't right a wrong with the death penalty. The fear of executing one innocent man is enough justification for its complete abolition.
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
350,000 Post Karma
Member since Aug 2013
8530 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:32 pm to
Gay Marriage - Against morally, ambivalent as a political issue

Abortion - Staunchly against

Gun Control - Against

Marijuana - Ambivalent

Affirmative Action - Against

Death Penalty - For

Obamacare - Against
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
268678 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:35 pm to
Gay Marriage - Don't care. Let em marry

Abortion - Don't like but it's a lost cause

Gun Control - Against

Marijuana - Pro

Affirmative Action - Against

Death Penalty - Against

Obamacare - Against
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:55 pm to
Gay Marriage - Dont Care
Abortion - Against
Gun Control - For
Marijuana - For
Affirmative Action - Against
Death Penalty - For
Obamacare - Against
Posted by Pigfeet
Ark Mods are Fascists
Member since Mar 2010
19783 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:31 pm to
Gay Marriage - Don't care

Abortion - Don't care

Gun Control - Against

Marijuana - Don't care

Affirmative Action - Don't care

Death Penalty - For

Obamacare - Against
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 11:32 pm
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:39 pm to
quote:

Gay Marriage - No fricks given.

Abortion - largely Against

Gun Control - only on handguns

Marijuana - For

Affirmative Action - too broad a subject. I support human rights. However, not preferential treatment. All men are created equal (theoretically).

Death Penalty - Largely for, but this needs to get back to basics. A bullet or hanging. Forget this lethal injection crap.

Obamacare - Obama can DIAF twice.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 11:42 pm
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:59 pm to
quote:

Do you honestly think 12 random Americans are intelligent or sophisticated enough to determine whether a human being lives or dies? I sure as hell don't and I say that as a practicing attorney. Our Founders took the philosophies of Locke's social contract and Rousseau's will of the people and molded them with Montesquieu's separation of powers to create our current federalist system. If we are to sincerely adopt these philosophies, how can the State, whose existence is solely owed to the consent of the governed, tell the governed that murder is a crime, yet commit murder itself? This isn't even taking into account Blackstone's maxim. Humans make mistakes. You can't right a wrong with the death penalty. The fear of executing one innocent man is enough justification for its complete abolition.


The death penalty is capital punishment. Its about punishment for the most inhuman heinous crimes imaginable. It is about elimination of waste product from society so vile that destruction is warranted. I have zero problems with it if the accused is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt according to the law. Your comment relative to the 12 jurors is largely a conviction of of the judicial process of jury selection regarding choosing of a jury of ones peers. These 12 are by no means random. Anybody who has been called for jury duty will tell you that the attorneys vet these people thoroughly for sympathetic reasons. If your client still gets convicted, then the evidence likely is convicting. Not always, but almost always.

My only complaint about the death penalty is the pussification of it. This lethal injection stuff is nonsense. Gary Gilmore got shot. Cheap and Efficient. I like that.

And...Mr. lawyer, it shouldn't take 20 years on death row to execute a convicted killer. The folks in Singapore do it right. You get convicted, they hang you in the basement of the jail on the very next Friday morning. No muss, no fuss.


Posted by KyleOrtonsMustache
Krystal Baller
Member since Jan 2008
5023 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:01 am to
Gay Marriage - against morally, for politically.

Abortion - Against

Gun control - Against

Marijuana - For

Affirmative Action - Against

Death Penalty - Against

Obamacare - Against
Posted by five_fivesix
Y’all
Member since Aug 2012
14007 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:05 am to
quote:

The death penalty is capital punishment. Its about punishment for the most inhuman heinous crimes imaginable. It is about elimination of waste product from society so vile that destruction is warranted. I have zero problems with it if the accused is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt according to the law. Your comment relative to the 12 jurors is largely a conviction of of the judicial process of jury selection regarding choosing of a jury of ones peers. These 12 are by no means random. Anybody who has been called for jury duty will tell you that the attorneys vet these people thoroughly for sympathetic reasons. If your client still gets convicted, then the evidence likely is convicting. Not always, but almost always. My only complaint about the death penalty is the pussification of it. This lethal injection stuff is nonsense. Gary Gilmore got shot. Cheap and Efficient. I like that. And...Mr. lawyer, it shouldn't take 20 years on death row to execute a convicted killer. The folks in Singapore do it right. You get convicted, they hang you in the basement of the jail on the very next Friday morning. No muss, no fuss.


Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
115219 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:08 am to
Gay Marriage - Personally opposed, state's rights issue

Abortion - See above

Gun Control - Against

Marijuana - See 1 and 2

Affirmative Action - Against

Death Penalty - ambivalent

Obamacare - Against
Posted by Volmanac
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2009
7733 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:10 am to
Simplifying any of the above issues to the point where they can be analyzed with a "for" or "against" - against
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
27131 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:11 am to
Gay Marriage - For

Abortion - For

Gun Control - For

Marijuana - For

Affirmative Action - Against

Death Penalty - Against (it costs much more to litigate these issues rather than just let the offenders rot)

Obamacare - Half (let the seniors and children have healthcare; otherwise, work)
Posted by Volmanac
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2009
7733 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:13 am to
You sound like you would fit right in in the middle east or China.

The Government is always right.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
27131 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:15 am to
Damn, half of you hardcore conservatives would rather marijuana be legalized than allowing two consenting adults to get married.

And y'all bitch that the left is the sole problem causing body in this country
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:20 am to
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All you people against gay marriage what is your reasoning?


Because marriage is a retarded institution that no longer fulfills its original duties.

Really that's my only objection -- I don't support marriage at all. I think a person should be able to leave their benefits/estate to whoever they want.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
27131 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:23 am to
quote:

Death Penalty - Largely for, but this needs to get back to basics. A bullet or hanging. Forget this lethal injection crap.


THAT'S.NOT.HOW.THIS.frickING.WORKS.

We don't hang people in the street anymore. We don't gun them down against concrete walls with judicial permission.

God damnit man. God fricking damnit if you actually believe this.

We're no better than China and Iran if you truly desire this outcome for our most violent criminals.

I get that a principle of criminal law is "the punishment must fit the crime," but whatever happened to "you can judge a nation on how the government treats her citizens?"

Could you actually imagine an America where we hung offenders in the streets? Should we make the violent offenders writhe in pain? Should we play God and control the pain they receive? My god. It's not 1880 anymore. Move on.

God help us if people actually believe the things you just typed.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:24 am to
quote:

Could you actually imagine an America where we hung offenders in the streets?


This is the south we're talking about...
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
27131 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:26 am to
quote:

This is the south we're talking about...


I've spent the entirety of my life in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

Being civilized isn't hard.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
27131 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:30 am to
quote:

The death penalty is capital punishment. Its about punishment for the most inhuman heinous crimes imaginable. It is about elimination of waste product from society so vile that destruction is warranted. I have zero problems with it if the accused is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt according to the law. Your comment relative to the 12 jurors is largely a conviction of of the judicial process of jury selection regarding choosing of a jury of ones peers. These 12 are by no means random. Anybody who has been called for jury duty will tell you that the attorneys vet these people thoroughly for sympathetic reasons. If your client still gets convicted, then the evidence likely is convicting. Not always, but almost always. My only complaint about the death penalty is the pussification of it. This lethal injection stuff is nonsense. Gary Gilmore got shot. Cheap and Efficient. I like that. And...Mr. lawyer, it shouldn't take 20 years on death row to execute a convicted killer. The folks in Singapore do it right. You get convicted, they hang you in the basement of the jail on the very next Friday morning. No muss, no fuss.


It's actually cheaper to litigate without the automatic state supreme court review and let the offenders serve their life terms.

And, as I've said, this isn't China, where no one has any review and gets gunned down in a poorly lit parking lot behind the "courthouse."

How does that sound, Patriot?

If we're going to execute someone, take the moral high ground and be as humane in the execution as a human execution can be.
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