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re: If ya voted for Osama, errr, Obama and you regret check in
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:00 pm to Remote Controlled
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:00 pm to Remote Controlled
Yeah they don't deport for minor reasons seems like to me.
But I'm curious if they count people as deported when the judge says "you're getting deported, show up on June 30th" or if they count when they actually leave.
But I'm curious if they count people as deported when the judge says "you're getting deported, show up on June 30th" or if they count when they actually leave.
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:06 pm to the808bass
I think the biggest figure manipulation is they are counting those they capture and turn away at the border. I'm not really giving Obama credit for being strong on illegal immigration, just discrediting the notion that he has been weak on it, or at least weaker than his predecessors.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:07 pm to CatFan81
quote:He would have to nuke the place to be worse than the last bush. Still time I guess
I'm not a fan of Obama, but he's been no worse than the last Bush.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:13 pm to The Spleen
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just discrediting the notion that he has been weak on it, or at least weaker than his predecessors.
You'd have to pretend we didn't have a Southern border to be worse.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:18 pm to CatFan81
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I'm not a fan of Obama, but he's been no worse than the last Bush.
And millions of people regret voting for Bush.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:18 pm to the808bass
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Yeah they don't deport for minor reasons seems like to me. But I'm curious if they count people as deported when the judge says "you're getting deported, show up on June 30th" or if they count when they actually leave.
Logic would dictate that you aren't deported until you leave.
However, I could definitely see a manipulation of data to show higher or lower numbers.
Kind of like the homicide unit massaging the murder numbers in The Wire.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:26 pm to AUCatfish
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Fox News Link from 2012
I'm not afraid to lay blame for bad policy at Bush's feet as well.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:30 pm to The Spleen
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Well I didn't mention the immigration situation as a good thing.
Umm.. you used it in response to this..
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But I think he has done some good that many that oppose him will never admit
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Such as?
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The immigration problem and the meme that he doesn't enforce the current laws when there have actually been more deportations under his presidency than any other.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:39 pm to Alahunter
Actually the first part of that post that contained the immigration example was answering the such as question pertaining to fabricated scandals.
The second part was answering the such as question pertaining to the good things he has accomplished. I certainly wouldn't put his efforts on immigration in the good category.
The second part was answering the such as question pertaining to the good things he has accomplished. I certainly wouldn't put his efforts on immigration in the good category.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 1:40 pm to The Spleen
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Actually the first part of that post that contained the immigration example was answering the such as question pertaining to fabricated scandals.
You quoted my, "Such as?" and then posted that. If it was intended to answer something different, I'll note the quotation as a mistake.
eta- and as I asked the same way for both, I can see the confusion.
eta, eta - And while there have been immigration policy problems for quite some time, dating back several administrations, there has also been clear policy to avoid addressing it, so I don't think it's fully fabricated. I think the problem has actually gotten worse. And again, I have no problem laying blame on Bush and Clinton.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:49 pm to Alahunter
Obama has been a middle of the road President and will likely go down in history as such, absent something crazy these next two years. Much of what he set out to do he accomplished, but he also didn't (and let's be real, couldn't) live up to the expectations for him. Healthcare reform, Dodd-Frank, the NSA issue, and SCOTUS appointments will be his legacy, and how you feel a/b those issues will color your personal interpretation of his time in office. For the majority of us, it adds up to a lukewarm opinion.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:57 pm to Alahunter
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I'm not afraid to lay blame for bad policy at Bush's feet as well.
You weren't in your post. You directly implied that it was something the Obama administration had done and was responsible for. Also, you misstated the facts about the program to fit your hatred of our current president.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:38 pm to Mattwells90
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Nobody seems like a problem solver. Just focused on getting theirs and keeping their party happy.
That's all politics is.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:45 pm to AUCatfish
The thread is about Obama though. Not Bush or Reagan or Clinton or Nixon..etc. Immigration hasn't gotten better under him, and one could easily argue the situation has gotten worse.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:48 pm to Goldrush25
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That's all politics is.
I think it's less than that now. I believe it's become about self serving and even less about what their party likes. Most will say they choose based on the lesser of two evils now, instead of choosing for what they believe their guy will do. At least that's how I've had to vote since 92, and 2008 was so bad, I didn't even bother to vote.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:56 pm to deltaland
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I voted for Gary Johnson. I wanted Ron Paul to get the GOP nomination though
Ron Paul has to be one of the stupidest politicians I have ever seen.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 6:32 pm to WheelRoute
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Obama has been a middle of the road President and will likely go down in history as such, absent something crazy these next two years. Much of what he set out to do he accomplished,
Anyone can get something accomplished in the sense you're talking about. I can say I'm going to build a car. And then I build a car and it runs at 4 gallons/mile in fuel efficiency and only lasts 10,000 miles. That's not an accomplishment.
So he got healthcare passed, but it doesn't lower costs. It doesn't lower premiums. It doesn't increase patient choice and doesn't even allow you to retain your current physician (and most of the law hasn't taken effect). So you can say, "But he got healthcare passed." But it doesn't mean anything.
He got us "out of Iraq." But it didn't accomplish anything other than him checking a box. It's absolutely unimpressive.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 6:39 pm to WheelRoute
Yeah, I think Obama goes down as a middle of the road president.
He had potential, but he tried to appease everyone and gave in a lot when he didn't have to early with the dems controlling congress. He got the ACA passed but it was so watered down and he made so many concessions it won't accomplish what is was supposed to.
Then sense the GOP took the house, he has been less compromising but it doesn't matter as he is sorta marginalized in many ways now with congress unwilling to do much of anything but sit around with their head in their arse and set all time historically low approval records.
All in all, middle of road president that didn't really get much done for 8 years in office.
He had potential, but he tried to appease everyone and gave in a lot when he didn't have to early with the dems controlling congress. He got the ACA passed but it was so watered down and he made so many concessions it won't accomplish what is was supposed to.
Then sense the GOP took the house, he has been less compromising but it doesn't matter as he is sorta marginalized in many ways now with congress unwilling to do much of anything but sit around with their head in their arse and set all time historically low approval records.
All in all, middle of road president that didn't really get much done for 8 years in office.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 8:06 pm to Alahunter
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The thread is about Obama though. Not Bush or Reagan or Clinton or Nixon..etc. Immigration hasn't gotten better under him, and one could easily argue the situation has gotten worse.
Props to ya Alahunter, I started the thread and had to hit the sack but you did a fine job of beating back the drone drivel, you're a good man!
Posted on 6/10/14 at 8:09 pm to the808bass
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Anyone can get something accomplished in the sense you're talking about. I can say I'm going to build a car. And then I build a car and it runs at 4 gallons/mile in fuel efficiency and only lasts 10,000 miles. That's not an accomplishment.
Efficiency is such a specious argument and thus a poor metaphor. Gov't isn't meant to be efficient and it never will be. You might as well critique that same car for not flying.
As for "anyone can get something accomplished": no they can't. Democrats tried for decades to get some sort of healthcare reform passed. It is a MASSIVE accomplishment and one of the most fundamental restructurings of our gov't in the past 50 years. And it will continue to be tweaked and modified as the years pass.
A final note a/b efficiency: the purity of a person's vision will always be diluted by the input of the other parties who craft and/or support the legislation. That's democracy. There will be trade-offs and compromises to satisfy the goal.
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So he got healthcare passed, but it doesn't lower costs.
CBO Report on Costs
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"But he got healthcare passed." But it doesn't mean anything.
It most certainly means something; it's a law now.
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He got us "out of Iraq." But it didn't accomplish anything other than him checking a box.
Of course it's an accomplishment. It's NOT as easy as checking a box. Iraq was an enormous debacle and waste of time and resources. Obama gets credit for ending the war regardless of your subjective analysis of the difficulty of drawing down our troops. And I promise you NOTHING is "easy" w/ the current state of Congress.
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