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re: Minnesota homeowner goes on trial for teen intruders' deaths
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:46 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:46 am to Roger Klarvin
I think its clear that this guy has some mental health issues that make him kind of dangerous.
If only the law could account for subtleties like that. A good solution would be lifetime probation and mandatory mental health services.
Kind of a "not quite guilty because he's insane" kind of thing. Interesting case.
If only the law could account for subtleties like that. A good solution would be lifetime probation and mandatory mental health services.
Kind of a "not quite guilty because he's insane" kind of thing. Interesting case.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 10:48 am
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:48 am to Roger Klarvin
The guy is a POS and should be executed in the same manner that he executed those kids.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:50 am to sorantable
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The guy is a POS and should be executed in the same manner that he executed those kids.
Know how all of this could've been avoided? If kids didn't break into his house & rob him. They got what they deserved.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:51 am to Roger Klarvin
The man had the right to use lethal force to defend his home and stop the threat.
But as others have said, once the threat was stopped, he had a duty to call the police and let them finish up with the robbers rather than finishing them off, himself, out of malice.
But as others have said, once the threat was stopped, he had a duty to call the police and let them finish up with the robbers rather than finishing them off, himself, out of malice.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:51 am to InVolNerable
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They got what they deserved.
You mean being murdered for robbery?
The consequences far outweigh the crime.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:51 am to 7Dollarbill
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And? They broke into his home. Does not matter if they are no longer threats they. Premeditated or not he had every reason and right to kill them IMO.
HOLY shite THIS GUY
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:52 am to InVolNerable
It's Minnesota so he's kind of screwed, he'll serve time for this...but it's also Minnesota and they're easy on felons so he'll spend three years in a maple syrup harvesting commune and then get to go home.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:53 am to InVolNerable
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Know how all of this could've been avoided? If kids didn't break into his house & rob him. They got what they deserved.
Your lack of compassion will haunt you when you're all alone as you breathe your last breath one day.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:54 am to Duke
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You mean being murdered for robbery?
The consequences far outweigh the crime.
Meh, if he doesn't kill them then they go to jail, get out and go rob again. This way it just ends the cycle early and they don't waste tax dollars planning their next job while they are in jail.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:55 am to sorantable
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Your lack of compassion will haunt you when you're all alone as you breathe your last breath one day.
I love your moral high horse. Is your mistress up there with you?
Unlike you, I'm faithful to the ones I love in my life. I have compassion for them, and anyone else who isn't a total shite bag.
I don't have compassion for thieves, murderers, rapists, or anyone else of that ilk.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:57 am to InVolNerable
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I love your moral high horse. Is your mistress up there with you?
Unlike you, I'm faithful to the ones I love in my life.
Do you feel better now?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:57 am to InVolNerable
I really doubt these two kids were going to be career criminals. It's the middle of the Midwest, kids do dumb and sometimes criminal things to stay entertained. This guy had a right to use deadly force but he also should have used some discretion.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:58 am to Duke
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You mean being murdered for robbery?
The consequences far outweigh the crime.
Probably, but that's a risk you take when you break into someone's house, as I said before.
Don't ever break into my house Duke, I'd be devastated if I had to shoot you.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:59 am to KSGamecock
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I really doubt these two kids were going to be career criminals
I know for a fact that they won't be career criminals.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:59 am to InVolNerable
That's super funny.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:00 am to KSGamecock
I guess. If you find facts funny.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:05 am to Vols&Shaft83
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that's a risk you take when you break into someone's house
Exactly, it's simply an Assumption of Risk. If you don't want to be shot and killed by a homeowner, don't break into the home. It's as simple as that
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:12 am to sorantable
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Your lack of compassion will haunt you when you're all alone as you breathe your last breath one day.
That's not much of a haunting if it only bothers him for the last few seconds of his life.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:18 am to Duke
quote:The homeowner definitely exceeded his rights by killing the thieves after the threat was stopped, but if they were killed outright, the consequences would certainly have been justified. Why? Because the homeowner has the right to feel safe within his own home.
You mean being murdered for robbery?
The consequences far outweigh the crime.
Someone who breaks in (especially at night) has already shown intent to do harm to anyone inside, giving the homeowner the right to self defense. The homeowner usually has no clue that the robber is armed, and if it is dark, they may not be able to identify if a weapon is present. Clearly a robber understands that there is a risk that the homeowner is actually home, and they may choose to resort to violence against the homeowner rather than risk getting caught. The homeowner doesn't know the intent of the robber; they only know that they entered their home unlawfully.
So due to the risks involved, killing an intruder should be justified regardless of whether or not the actual "punishment" fit the crime.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:21 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Probably, but that's a risk you take when you break into someone's house, as I said before.
There's self defense and there is murder. You risk being killed by someone defending their property. This went far beyond that.
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Don't ever break into my house Duke, I'd be devastated if I had to shoot you.
I've got a good enough brain to acquire what I want on my own. If I had to rob you though, I'd obviously do it in body armor armed with a tazer. I'm not risking some crazy backwoods Tennessee redneck blowing me away.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:22 am
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